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Old 09-19-2010, 07:07 AM   #61
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Here are the stain tests...
This is the red i think i'll go with..


I also did a basic blue and green so people can get an idea of what they all look like...

All these are water based analine dyes.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:57 AM   #62
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the green looks the best IMO
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:23 AM   #63
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I'm a sucker for red, are you staining the back as well?
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:39 AM   #64
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I'm a sucker for red, are you staining the back as well?

The back is korina and i'm not sure how well that takes colored stain. It'll probably be either stained or painted black...
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:55 AM   #65
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It should stain fine, but just test it any way.

IMO if you stain the top and back red with faux binding on the maple top that would be killer!


Click the small thumb nails on the right for big pics of a red PRS korina, hard to tell if its stained or if its a toner lacquer coat though,

http://www.makenmusic.com/product.c...ID=1064&catID=1
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:29 AM   #66
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It should stain fine, but just test it any way.

IMO if you stain the top and back red with faux binding on the maple top that would be killer!


Click the small thumb nails on the right for big pics of a red PRS korina, hard to tell if its stained or if its a toner lacquer coat though,

http://www.makenmusic.com/product.c...ID=1064&catID=1


Damn that's pretty nice for just a simple finish.. looks like a lacquer with toner though. I'll have a go staining some off cuts and see how they turn out, from handling it it feels a bit oilier than mahogany so it'll be interesting to see. I was going for this look btw:

http://www.guitarasylum.com/product...fire-red-01.jpg

I can't tell if the back is black or dark red from the photo but either would work nicely..
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:44 AM   #67
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^That's dark red. And it'll look awesome, judging from my opinion on the "viking red" ibanez S5470, which I always believed should be darker.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:57 AM   #68
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^That's dark red. And it'll look awesome, judging from my opinion on the "viking red" ibanez S5470, which I always believed should be darker.


haha the red stain i'm using would be blood red if it was by itself, but the black layer i put underneath (which is actually a green-black) darkens it up a bit. I agree with you about the viking red though, it's almost a little brown-red but that might just be my computer screen..
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I am pleased to hear that. Just to save myself some reading time- are you going to attempt a burst edge like on the PRS you linked to?
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I am pleased to hear that. Just to save myself some reading time- are you going to attempt a burst edge like on the PRS you linked to?

yeah it's going to be a thin black burst around the edge. I'm a bit dodgy with the spray gun so i'll probably use an airbrush and take my time with it... no point spending ages on a good stain job to screw it up with the spraygun...
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I actually quite like the blue as its not often seen.
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I actually quite like the blue as its not often seen.


True, it's a nice colour... thing is, iv'e already worked on a blue guitar with my dad using that stain, so i wanted a red guitar to match, like a fire and ice kinda thing... but i agree, there needs to be more blue guitars in the world..
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Use a really dark red for the base coat rather than a black, helps with the 3D effect apparently.
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Use a really dark red for the base coat rather than a black, helps with the 3D effect apparently.


really? i might give it a try then... though the 3d effect on these tests are pretty pronounced. problem is you can't see it in a photo, i'd have to put a video up or something.
I found the best way to get that strong shimmering effect where the light and dark areas move around under a strong light is to use a card scraper after sanding. My impression of the science behind it is that the wood fibres are slightly semitransparent and reflect light off at different angles depending on their orientation. Sanding leaves tiny grooves on the surface (however small) and this scatters the light. When the wood fibres are cut cleanly, through scraping or microplaning, the light is allowed to stay straight. It gives one hell of an effect but it's hard to show..
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Are you planning on doing any binding? That red stain with white/cream bound edges and a matte black back would look phenominal.
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Oh wow, those stains look phenomenal. The blue's a little dark, the green's great, but I'm glad you're going with the red and a slight burst edge. Looks amazing!

Water based analine dyes, eh? Never heard of them, but they work well!
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Are you planning on doing any binding? That red stain with white/cream bound edges and a matte black back would look phenominal.


I'm going with a fake binding which is just leaving the maple edge unstained, and yes it's probably going to be that red with a black or dark red back..
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Oh wow, those stains look phenomenal. The blue's a little dark, the green's great, but I'm glad you're going with the red and a slight burst edge. Looks amazing!

Water based analine dyes, eh? Never heard of them, but they work well!


Actually i can't spell.. it's aniline apparently. Anyway, these are the ones i use:

http://www.ubeaut.com.au/dye.html

It's just a pack of bright colored water based dyes. I believe you can also use them with denatured alcohol..
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Old 09-19-2010, 03:47 PM   #79
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May I ask what dyes you did use for that awesome red? I was thinking of the same color for my Ultimate V.
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:54 AM   #80
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May I ask what dyes you did use for that awesome red? I was thinking of the same color for my Ultimate V.


I gave the link above for the dyes: http://www.ubeaut.com.au/dye.html

The red is made using the green-black underneath, sanded back to give contrast and then the red just straight by itself over the top.

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