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Old 09-19-2010, 11:56 AM   #21
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Perhaps anti-punk is a bit strong (though applicable for many) I was just interested to see if the metal/punk relationship was still segregated. I think it's a shame - many of my favourite bands play a mixture of the two and myself + lot of punks I know like thrash, grindcore, some black metal for the "punk" energy and rawness. Crust punk/d-beat in particular seems to be massively influenced/influential on a lot of the rawer metal.

Take these three bands:



For me the metal and punk sound is perfect.
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Old 09-19-2010, 11:58 AM   #22
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:00 PM   #23
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okay so its that video when lily thai squirts everywhere and everyone freaks out and she hits the director and everything, but theres this one guy in the background just crouching there naked making that face



I'm disappointed I can't find this original video now
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:01 PM   #24
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Is it bad that I kinda know what he's talking about?


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Old 09-19-2010, 12:12 PM   #25
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Bloody love the first two bands...will check out the third!

The thing is a lot of people think punk is just bloody Sex Pistols, Greenday, Nofx. It's like me saying I hate metal because I don't like Metallica, AC/DC or Ax7. Like any genre there is so much more to it. I'm surprised so many metal guys don't like any punk...even the harder edged stuff/crossover stuff. I think they should sit hand in hand since they both share the "anti commercial" ethos and raw sound.

When I was at Party.San fest this year I overheard some snide comments about me wearing a Discharge t-shirt & vise versa at a punk fest this summer for wearing a Napalm Death tee but tbh most of the time metalheads/punks appreciated both bands for the same reasons...but it does seem rare.
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:44 PM   #26
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Some of the best metal is influenced and inspired by punk technique and you'd have to be incredibly ignorant not to give credit where it's due. DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Amebix, Discharge, Exploited, etc. all passed on a great deal to bands like Darkthrone and Dismember for instance (if you want a great example of the d-beat in full force). Not only did the technique pass on, but the intensity and attitude as well, allowing extreme bands to utilize the energy that punk inherently possessed. That was one of the elements that allowed the best to persevere and rise above the mediocrity and further away from their blues-rock roots to become something much more than an offshoot.
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:45 PM   #27
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:49 PM   #28
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:59 PM   #29
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Can't Tool be linked to punk in a way? They do have somewhat politcal/social themes in their lyrics.

I'll listen to punk, just not the constant eigth note power chord/annoying angsty voice kind. You know the one I'm talking about.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:00 PM   #30
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Some of the best metal is influenced and inspired by punk technique and you'd have to be incredibly ignorant not to give credit where it's due. DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Amebix, Discharge, Exploited, etc. all passed on a great deal to bands like Darkthrone and Dismember for instance (if you want a great example of the d-beat in full force). Not only did the technique pass on, but the intensity and attitude as well, allowing extreme bands to utilize the energy that punk inherently possessed. That was one of the elements that allowed the best to persevere and rise above the mediocrity and further away from their blues-rock roots to become something much more than an offshoot.

Well put! it was the darkness, heavyness (thematically/sound wise) of Black Sabbath and the speed and raw energy of hardcore punk bands that lead to the early black/death bands forming. Whether consciously done or not punk with out fail helped metal develop into more extreme territories as far as the sound goes. Likewise many awesome punk bands now are influenced by thrash, black metal and death metal.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:07 PM   #31
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Can't Tool be linked to punk in a way? They do have somewhat politcal/social themes in their lyrics.
Fine, if this means U2 get to be punk too, I'm all for it.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:14 PM   #32
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You know who else is punk then? NWA.
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:37 PM   #33
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Good Metal and Punk have the same roots.Most Metalheads who know what their talking about at least respect 80`s hardcore,crust,grind and all that.
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:38 PM   #34
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:42 PM   #35
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I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

anyways, my opinion:



(and not the sound clip at the beginning, the entire song)

There are some way too many blurred lines to love one and hate the other. Unless you're a metal head who doesn't like any: grindcore, crust, or crossover.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:02 PM   #36
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Pfft, crust punk > all metal in some cases.

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Old 09-19-2010, 07:52 PM   #37
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I was into punk before i was metal. I'd say i like metal more these days...but punk is still awesome. And for those saying (if any of you are serious) that punks just power chords and poorly done vocals.....and?
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:59 PM   #38
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:03 PM   #39
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:05 PM   #40
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I was into punk before i was metal. I'd say i like metal more these days...but punk is still awesome. And for those saying (if any of you are serious) that punks just power chords and poorly done vocals.....and?


Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.
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