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Old 09-19-2010, 08:05 PM   #41
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I was into punk before i was metal. I'd say i like metal more these days...but punk is still awesome. And for those saying (if any of you are serious) that punks just power chords and poorly done vocals.....and?


Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:09 PM   #42
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They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:11 PM   #43
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Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.


moot point since the same thing happened to metal
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:11 PM   #44
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Pfft, crust punk > all metal in some cases.

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so good, even if it is "pro-religious" in a way (the lyrics are a quote from Keirkegauurd).


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They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.


The sex pistols are one of the worst "punk" bands ever. They're the punk equivalent of the backstreet boys - having their entire image marketed. Not only that, but they stood for everything punk is against. They took anarchy and turned it into a term that means chaos and destruction, sucking any academic creditability out of the word. Mindless violence, binge drinking, and heroin while holding some kind of ideology of the word - they can go fuck themselves (and so can all their fans).

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Old 09-19-2010, 08:13 PM   #45
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They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.

Except that NWA is infinitely better than the ****ing Sex Pistols.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:15 PM   #46
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:19 PM   #47
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moot point since the same thing happened to metal


Actually it was always that way, minus the stuff that evolved underground.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:22 PM   #48
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Actually it was always that way, minus the stuff that evolved underground.


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...so you are arguing against Blaze in the Northern Sky to contain any elements of sole power chord riffage with simple drum beats and against the grain vocals?

Or are you arguing that Blaze in the Northern Sky was not an influential record in the slightest?
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I think you just summed up what I was trying to say.
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My point is that the 2nd wave of black metal, which did evolve underground, and was later exploited all to hell, started with a bunch of guys playing in punk aesthetics.
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None that I know...I love some punk, especially crossover, crust, RAC and hardcore. It's also extremely similar to a lot of metal musically.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:40 PM   #56
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My point is that the 2nd wave of black metal, which did evolve underground, and was later exploited all to hell, started with a bunch of guys playing in punk aesthetics.


But that's black metal, not all metal, so I don't see how your point goes against mine. The peak of metal's popularity resulted from the power-chord influenced rock groups turning into bands like Metallica. Metallica then influenced a lot of other bands who put their own twist their style and a huge evolution took place underground. That black metal expolit you're talking about is not only way less popular than Metallica ever was, but also a singularity.
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its.
the.
same
fvcking
thing

Its just on smaller scale. To not credit black metal as a huge evolution in underground is just ******ed. Even early death metal circa '86 -> '91 was all about pushing the envelope with DIY ethics and adopted crossover beats. Dismember is the king of D-beats and they were big players in the swedish DM scene. So was Entombed.

Also, you can't count all the ripoff bands that spawned when Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was released. Even today, we still see bands EVERY YEAR ripping that album. Following the same formula that was pioneered years ago.

A better point would of been Sepultura, one of the first death / black bands, but playing in thrash aesthetics. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, and Bestial Devastation had a big impact on early death metal. After thrash started to get big and die away, Sepultura jump ship and cash in on the nu metal trend. The result = piss poor music, and Max Calavera creating the abomination that is Soulfly
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Thrash and black metal, both shit and breed punk music IMO.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:05 PM   #59
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its.
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Its just on smaller scale. To not credit black metal as a huge evolution in underground is just ******ed. Even early death metal circa '86 -> '91 was all about pushing the envelope with DIY ethics and adopted crossover beats. Dismember is the king of D-beats and they were big players in the swedish DM scene. So was Entombed.

Also, you can't count all the ripoff bands that spawned when Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was released. Even today, we still see bands EVERY YEAR ripping that album. Following the same formula that was pioneered years ago.

A better point would of been Sepultura, one of the first death / black bands, but playing in thrash aesthetics. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, and Bestial Devastation had a big impact on early death metal. After thrash started to get big and die away, Sepultura jump ship and cash in on the nu metal trend. The result = piss poor music, and Max Calavera creating the abomination that is Soulfly


I honestly don't see where you're going with this... I'm not trying to deny that this stuff happened. It's not even relevant to what I was saying before where you caught up, so why are you even mentioning this?

Let's go back to what I said before when you called my point moot. I said that metalheads of this age do not like the plain powerchord style [HONESTY EDIT: Woops, I meant me.], and that punk turned into that very thing. There, that's the point I was trying to make, and that's what my entire post consisted of.

What you should have said was "no, most metalheads actually do like that," and then I would have given you my idea of the word. I don't associate metalhead with strictly Metallica and A7X fans since most metalheads tend to extend their musical taste beyond that narrow reach.

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Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.

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Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk.

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Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right?

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Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing.


Wait progbass, you don't mean to say that black and death metal is not a driving force in how todays metal is created, even if the earliest bands used power chords and poorly created vocals in comparison to the speed and thrash bands that dominated the scene at the time of their inception?

Blaze in the Northern Sky never influenced a single band, neither did Severed Survival. They also never embraced punk ethics and morality and injected it into metal. Thats my new point.
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