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Old 10-13-2010, 11:10 AM   #61
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That diagram totally looks like something out of my physics book.....
So its a hybrid? (raises eyebrows)
And its still costs an arm and a leg.....lovely.

You've never seen a schematic before?
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:22 AM   #62
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not sure how to handle the Santana thing either. I mean he did crank out some memorable stuff on stage at woodstock whether they were his amps or not.

sure but it wasn't like he toured with his own SS rig for any period of time.

i mean, he put the "boogie" in mesa boogie.
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:29 AM   #63
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no reason to poke at me - I know his connection to Mesa Engineering.

We didn't have this much discussion on these topics in the prior threads

I guess if it was not his choice to use SS amps during woodstock and would have much rather of used something else if given the choice then I'll remove him.


(personally I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this thread)
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:36 AM   #64
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You've never seen a schematic before?


Nope. Resistance diagrams and LCR circuits are all I've seen :P
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So its a hybrid? (raises eyebrows)


The guitar signal is primarily amplified and clipped by solid state devices in the preamp. In terms of preamp signal path, tubes make up very little of it. There is only one tube in the preamp, and only half of that tube (a single triode) is utilized as a gain stage.

So it very much qualifies as a hybrid amp in my opinion at least.

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And its still costs an arm and a leg.....lovely.


Not really, JCM900's can be had very cheap. And topology really doesn't need to dictate price. Tone should be the priority. There are a lot of solid state amps out there that sound great--which I think is one of the points made by this thread.
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no reason to poke at me - I know his connection to Mesa Engineering.

We didn't have this much discussion on these topics in the prior threads

I guess if it was not his choice to use SS amps during woodstock and would have much rather of used something else if given the choice then I'll remove him.


(personally I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this thread)

Like I suggested, denote exceptions like Santana, Jimmy Page, etc. who only used SS for a short period, or one memorable concert, with a "*".

And the whole thing about the JCM900s being hybrid: Who really cares? If you like the sound of it, good for you. If you're going to turn your nose up at it now that you've learned that it has a good deal of SS parts, screw you for being a corksniffer.

If you never liked the sound of it regardless, then good on your for appreciating proper Marshall tone.

Thats not a personal attack on anyone, but it's just like the whole deal with the HT5. Everyone was sh*tting themeslves over how good the amp was, then someone bothered to research the circuit and determined it was basically a hybrid. Now we have bandwagoners in every HT5 thread spouting out that it's a hybrid. it's a cheap practice amp with decent tone. Personally, I think that's a little more important that whether or not it's hybrid ot tube.
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:55 AM   #67
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^ all good points my friend.

I'll update the OP and try to break things into sections. That may appease everyone.
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no reason to poke at me - I know his connection to Mesa Engineering.

(personally I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this thread)


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That may appease everyone.

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Old 10-13-2010, 12:20 PM   #69
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The guitar signal is primarily amplified and clipped by solid state devices in the preamp. In terms of preamp signal path, tubes make up very little of it. There is only one tube in the preamp, and only half of that tube (a single triode) is utilized as a gain stage.

So it very much qualifies as a hybrid amp in my opinion at least.



Not really, JCM900's can be had very cheap. And topology really doesn't need to dictate price. Tone should be the priority. There are a lot of solid state amps out there that sound great--which I think is one of the points made by this thread.


The JC-120 here is near USD1200.
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The JC-120 here is near USD1200.


Yeah, I know. For one, those amps haven't been manufactured in ages. It's coveted for its cleans, so it's sought after and consequently supply and demand drives the price up.

You're paying more because of the aforementioned reasons, not because of its circuit topology.
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IIRC doesn't Five Finger Death Punch use Marshall JMP-1 rackmount preamps? I thought that was tube.
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I'm pretty sure Alex Skolnick uses a Mode 4.

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Old 10-13-2010, 02:25 PM   #74
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^ List the BAND too if they are in a band.

^^ They may use JMPs and Diamonds. This is thread exists to point out certain artists that have used Solid State or Hybrid amps at one point or another (not exclusively necessarily).


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Old 10-13-2010, 02:35 PM   #75
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Last I knew, one guy from five finger death punch (Zoltan I think) used a digitech rack unit into a clean diamond amp, so the amp is tube, but his distortion is digital. (at least live) The other guy (Jason Hook?) uses marshall jmp rack units, which are tube.

Note to OP, I think the list would be easier to read if you listed the amp first, then the people that use them, it seems like everyone used the same couple amps.

Also- Jhachey, for your comments on the JCM 900 and the HT-5 you deserve a high five, but i'm posting from my phone so I can't get the smiley for it, i'll edit it in later.
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I have yet to see anyone in this thread being even the slightest bit snobby about the 900 or the HT5. We're simply discussing an arguable point about what's a hybrid and what's not. What's wrong with that?

Not sure what we're getting stirred up about here.

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This is NOT stating that these artists ONLY use these amps, but merely that they have at one point or another used a Solid State or Hybrid amp for either recording or gigging.


For anyone curious, this quote from the OP is why the discussion of what is hybrid and what isn't is entirely relevant to the thread. It's not a snob rant about "hybrid sucks" or "SS sucks" or anything like that.
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So does that make a bass player's DI box his amp? Guys that run an effects unit straight into the PA could be argued to be playing ampless. If I mike up my acoustic does that make the mic my amp?
Not knocking AxeFX or Pods mind you, they just aren't actually an amp are they?
If you use an FX box and a PA to serve as your amp, then I'd say that they quality in the SS category. They serve the same purpose as SS amps. And that's to re-create/model a tube amp's tone.

Your acoustic example doesn't count because people, as a rule don't use an amp to shape an acoustic's tone. Electrics, as a rule do use amps to dictate their tone.
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Ed Sloan (Crossfade) used Vettas and Flextones early on. The entire first album is pretty much ALL Vetta.

Mark Tremonti uses a Johnson Millennium for a warm up amp. And I swore I saw a video somewhere of him using a Randall V2 (both having tube pre-amp, but a solid state power section).
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^ List the BAND too if they are in a band.


Alex Skolnick is in Testament. He uses Mode 4s and JCM2000s.
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