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Old 10-13-2010, 05:32 PM   #81
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If we're counting PODs, Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) has used the POD for recording.
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Old 10-13-2010, 06:15 PM   #82
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here is where I'm going with the OP - I think this will help a bit....NOT DONE.

I may break it down further but for now things are just kinda grouped.
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Old 10-13-2010, 06:30 PM   #83
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Just to clairfy, Skynyrd used Peavey Mace amps, which used 6 6L6 tubes in the power section. More tubes per capita than a lot of all tube amps .

Joe Strummer used the JC120 and Musicman HD150s. I think, but I'm not 100% sure, Roger McGuinn used JC120s as well at some point in his career.

We should just have a "Notable users of the JC120" thread
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:02 PM   #84
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:48 PM   #85
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Again Billy Gibbons and also Kurt Cobain have both used Marshall Lead 12 stacks
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:56 PM   #86
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If you use an FX box and a PA to serve as your amp, then I'd say that they quality in the SS category. They serve the same purpose as SS amps. And that's to re-create/model a tube amp's tone.

Your acoustic example doesn't count because people, as a rule don't use an amp to shape an acoustic's tone. Electrics, as a rule do use amps to dictate their tone.

What he's done solves the problem, group them by themselves. They are an effects unit so they don't belong with SS amps, they aren't an amp. A tubescreamer shapes the tone, that doesn't make it an amp. They may be used to perform a similar task but that doesn't make them the same thing. A vegeburger isn't meat. Putting them in their own category is the wise way to do it.
BTW: listen to the difference between an acoustic miked by a RadioShack mic (or even a dynamic Shure) and a Neuman and then tell me there's no tone shaping.
Anyway, the issue has been solved.
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Again Billy Gibbons and also Kurt Cobain have both used Marshall Lead 12 stacks

If you're reffering to this stack

He neve actually used it live or in the studio. It's more of a joke on stage then anything.
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:07 PM   #88
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Where did he group them by themselves?

So you think mics are amps and the tone shaping by different mics on an acoustic is pretty much the same as the tone shaping of an electric by various tube amps? Well I guess that's your opinion. Personally, I think you were just trying to make an argument where one doesn't exist.
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Where did he group them by themselves?

So you think mics are amps and the tone shaping by different mics on an acoustic is pretty much the same as the tone shaping of an electric by various tube amps? Well I guess that's your opinion. Personally, I think you were just trying to make an argument where one doesn't exist.

No I'm not. They just aren't amps, they are effects units. I see no problem in including them, they just should be in a separate grouping, it's an interesting development in its own right. Have a look at the OP, there are now different paragraphs.
You've never heard a Neuman U87 have you?
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:28 PM   #90
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I just busted up the list as best as I can for now. I think it is less clougy.

I'm not really interested in practice amps or endorsements unless the artist uses or has used that amp/preamp/modeler LIVE or at studio to RECORD music.

Also, I think getting into the JCM900 or Blackstar HT5 thing is a bit much so I'm not going to go there. At least not now. It will open too big a can of worms. I've got enough to deal with as it is


Anyway - let me know what you think of it now...
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:29 PM   #91
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If you're reffering to this stack

He neve actually used it live or in the studio. It's more of a joke on stage then anything.

Aww and here I was with a shred of admiration for Nirvana, and you had to ruin it
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:30 PM   #92
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:38 PM   #93
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:30 AM   #96
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You've never heard a Neuman U87 have you?
Oh cool.... why don't you explain to me how it completely alters the tone of your acoustic in a way analogous to how a tube amp alters the tone of an electric guitar. I can't wait to hear this.

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Have a look at the OP, there are now different paragraphs.
Looks like it's grouped by brand to me.
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:54 AM   #97
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Oh cool.... why don't you explain to me how it completely alters the tone of your acoustic in a way analogous to how a tube amp alters the tone of an electric guitar. I can't wait to hear this.

Looks like it's grouped by brand to me.

Well actually the U87 does have a tube, an EF86 pentode iirc. Hire one and try it in an A/B test with an SM57. I think you'll be surprised at the difference in sound. When recorded you'd swear you are listening to a completely different guitar. Seriously, try one. They are way too expensive for most us to buy but you can often hire them. First time I used one for vocals was an epiphany moment along the lines of "So that's how they make vocals sound so good on pro recordings!! Nothing to do with effects afterall."
Don't laugh at things you have no experience with. As they say,
"si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
And anyway - what has tone shaping got to do with it being an amp or not? An effects unit's sole purpose is to shape tone. Shaping tone is a side issue with amps, their prime purpose is to amplify. What I have been saying all along is that they are an effects unit, not an amp. So your whole argument is fundamentally flawed from the outset.

Well grouping it by make and model does the same thing effectively. Instead of breaking it up into hybrid and SS it groups them even more specifically. It removes the assertion that they are the same. Different approach same result.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:15 AM   #98
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Like I suggested, denote exceptions like Santana, Jimmy Page, etc. who only used SS for a short period, or one memorable concert, with a "*".

And the whole thing about the JCM900s being hybrid: Who really cares? If you like the sound of it, good for you. If you're going to turn your nose up at it now that you've learned that it has a good deal of SS parts, screw you for being a corksniffer.

If you never liked the sound of it regardless, then good on your for appreciating proper Marshall tone.

Thats not a personal attack on anyone, but it's just like the whole deal with the HT5. Everyone was sh*tting themeslves over how good the amp was, then someone bothered to research the circuit and determined it was basically a hybrid. Now we have bandwagoners in every HT5 thread spouting out that it's a hybrid. it's a cheap practice amp with decent tone. Personally, I think that's a little more important that whether or not it's hybrid ot tube.

$400 is cheap for a practice amp? Maybe if you refuse to practice out of anything but a tweed Champ.

But yeah, obviously a lot of that gain is coming from diode clipping, and I honestly don't care.
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I'm not laughing at the idea of someone using a high quality mic. I'm laughing at how off-topic you are with this mental masterbation. The idea that you think wrt a guitar amp the "prime purpose is to amplify" is laughable. If that were so people would just plug their guitars into a mixer. Electric guitars are *virtually never* played direct through clean flat response amplification. A significant purpose is to amplify, but without some sort of tone modification/shaping an amp isn't a electric guitar amp. Of course you already know this, but your need to expound on the irrelevant has overridden your better judgement.

The purpose of this thread is pretty obvious. It's to point out artists that have performed without using a tube amp. So SS amps, SS multifx amps, and multifx through PAs are all performing the same sort of function. That being simulating the tones artists get through their tube amps and pedals.
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Alright guys, take a nap, drink some prune juice and let's come back to this tomorrow. Maybe call one of your grandkids and tell them about growing up before cellphones... That should make you feel better.
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