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Old 12-07-2010, 11:15 AM   #81
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no problem to get in at all if you're not a muslim.


Not entirely true, there are very strict rules for non-EU immigrants. I know a Philippine woman who had to pass a test on Dutch culture and language (in her own country) first and she had to prove that she would be able to get a decent income here. The ensuing bureaucratic nonsense took several months, too
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:27 AM   #82
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:04 PM   #83
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Not entirely true, there are very strict rules for non-EU immigrants. I know a Philippine woman who had to pass a test on Dutch culture and language (in her own country) first and she had to prove that she would be able to get a decent income here. The ensuing bureaucratic nonsense took several months, too


I was not really being serious . There is a lot of bullshit going on about immigration in our country.
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:26 PM   #84
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I was not really being serious . There is a lot of bullshit going on about immigration in our country.


Haha okay, internet and sarcasm don't really mix I guess but I know, I've been doing a bit of research on this matter for a university project.. quite interesting results, too.
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:33 PM   #85
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Haha okay, internet and sarcasm don't really mix I guess but I know, I've been doing a bit of research on this matter for a university project.. quite interesting results, too.


nice, what do you study? Even though I study Biology, I have a general interest in anything related to society or politics .
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Old 12-07-2010, 06:51 PM   #86
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^ That.

Personally, I like it here, but I think I will leave at some point. Don't want to be in a country that's rising the Next Hitler personally... (I partially agree with his ideas, but he's doing it all wrong)

You don't really believe all those Wilders godwins, do you? The irony is that it could only happen if the people he calls the elite keep on thinking that he is.

I do find some of his methods low, though. Making an enemy out of the afore mentioned elite for example. Damn populists...
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:31 AM   #87
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nice, what do you study? Even though I study Biology, I have a general interest in anything related to society or politics .


I'm doing a German Language&Culture major with minors in Linguistics, English Language&Culture and History (for which I did the immigration project) . Next year I'll probably get a master's degree in Linguistics, but my fields of interest definitely cover a wide range - which more people should consider doing, really. Most people I know are ranting about.. well, everything, without properly thinking first
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:47 AM   #88
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You don't really believe all those Wilders godwins, do you? The irony is that it could only happen if the people he calls the elite keep on thinking that he is.

I do find some of his methods low, though. Making an enemy out of the afore mentioned elite for example. Damn populists...


The painful thing is that he's right: non-western immigrants are a majority in criminal statistics... But the way he's trying to solve it (shut the borders and all that are already in: GTFO) is totally wrong and just increases the problem. And nobody that realizes that sadly
And the thing that "they're also there to improve the caretaking for the elders"; it's just bollocks to let the mindless sheep look the other way than the fascist road they're on...
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:28 AM   #89
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The painful thing is that he's right: non-western immigrants are a majority in criminal statistics...


"There are lies... there are blatant lies.. and then there are statistics."

Not saying that I don't believe these statistics, but there are a lot of factors that aren't taken into account (cultural differences, acceptance in society, etc.). the conclusion that Wilders draws that 'higher percentage of criminality' = 'naturally more criminal' = 'scum' is as far from the truth as it can possibly be.

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I'm doing a German Language&Culture major with minors in Linguistics, English Language&Culture and History (for which I did the immigration project) . Next year I'll probably get a master's degree in Linguistics, but my fields of interest definitely cover a wide range - which more people should consider doing, really. Most people I know are ranting about.. well, everything, without properly thinking first


Sounds cool . Yea I definitely agree that everyone should try to widen their view... though it seems our current govt. wants to punish us for doing so .
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"There are lies... there are blatant lies.. and then there are statistics."

Not saying that I don't believe these statistics, but there are a lot of factors that aren't taken into account (cultural differences, acceptance in society, etc.). the conclusion that Wilders draws that 'higher percentage of criminality' = 'naturally more criminal' = 'scum' is as far from the truth as it can possibly be.


The only thing I agree with on this subject is the recognition of a problem and where a (big) part of the problem lies.

I'm not saying all non-western immigrants or Muslims for that part are all bad, as there are rotten apples in every single basket, no matter where they come from. But instead of picking only the rotten ones out Wilders wants to throw away the entire basket, which is plain wrong and we all know where it eventually will go as we've been there before sadly.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:34 AM   #91
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It's not a religious thing, it's about layers of society. My dad grew up in a part of Rotterdam that is now famous for trouble with immigrants. When he lived there, they had the same problems (theft,violence, etc.), but the kids that caused it had Dutch parents. Those kids grew up, moved on and now have better jobs than their parents did, and we invited foreigners over to fill the spaces they left. Wilders is just scaring people imo.

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Old 12-08-2010, 12:40 PM   #92
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It's not a religious thing, it's about layers of society. My dad grew up in a part of Rotterdam that is now famous for trouble with immigrants. When he lived there, they had the same problems, but the kids that caused it had Dutch parents. Those kids grew up, moved on and now have better jobs than their parents did, and we invited foreigners over to fill the spaces they left. Wilders is just scaring people imo.

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The painful thing is that he's right: non-western immigrants are a majority in criminal statistics...


Eh, depends what kind of crimes. You might wanna check www.cbs.nl: for violence and sexual abuse (IIRC), there is a higher percentage of 'pure' Dutch than (non-western) immigrants, and even in crime fields where the percentage of immigrants is higher, this is still no significantly higher number.
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:30 PM   #94
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The compelling thing to me is that, whether or not there is a higher criminality rate amongst Muslims, due to the Dutch low birth rate, the general working people are getting notably older - "greying". Basically we need immigrants right now for economical purposes, so we can reduce this greying. Shutting the borders would prove to be a very rash act.
Also, I believe that these cultural differences will sort themselves out. In a generation or two, everyone will have blended in.
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^and we'll have our wery own 'melting pot'

Next we'll have to invent the Dutch dream...
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^and we'll have our wery own 'melting pot'

Next we'll have to invent the Dutch dream...


we already have that, it's called "cheese, pot and whores" .
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You forgot ice-skating
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No he didn't

On a related note, optimists expect an 11-city-tour (how's that for a translation?) before the end of 2010
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Realistic optimists call februari 2011 though . Would be totally awesome if that happened.
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