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Old 02-02-2011, 05:17 AM   #61
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Not everyone is affected by substances the same way. I've known several bass players who will toke up before a gig and play way better just because they're more into the groove. Of course this depends on the music being played, and so on. There's nothing wrong with a beer or two either, assuming you can hold your liquor.

That said, showing up trashed is never a good idea.

There was study done on goldfish where they got them drunk and then taught them to go through a maze. (yes, the 45 sec memory is a myth) Then they changed the water with fresh water and sobered them up - they forgot how to get through the maze. Then they added alcohol to the water again and they remembered.
Moral of the story - if you rehearse drunk/stoned - play drunk/stoned. If you rehearse sober/straight, play sober/straight.

And so endeth the lesson.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:54 AM   #62
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Just want to post to enforce the pedal tuner point. (not the argument between using the same tuner though. I'm not knowledgable enough on the ins and outs of tuners for that! )

My band all have pedal tuners (well, the two people that need them, me and the bassist) so we have no horror stories about not having a tuner, we can just tune straight up and be cool.
But. While I've seen some bands look unprofessional by having to wait on one member to tune up, there was one time which was inexcusable and can easily force anyone to go out and buy a tuner!
Actually this story is good for many points about playing live. I'll sum up at the end!

Me and my bassist went down with a band we're friends with to see them gig at some pokey little venue (this was after I temped with said band cos they'd fired their guitarist. They patched up and had him back at this gig).
The guitarists and bassist had to borrow amps though, which I knew wouldn't go to plan. But after the soundcheck everything seemed pretty cool. No problems with anything really, they sounded good, were in tune, were with amps and everyone could be heard.

Gets to gig time, the band that played before them left with one of the amps so one of the guitarists had to go through this horrible little solid state amp which had a really sterile tone.
After this the band spends about 15 minutes all trying to tune to eachother (2 guitars, bass and saxophone).
Once this was over I thought "Ah, all is good now."
But no, in between every song at least 3 minutes was spent trying to remain in tune, or with someone complaining they can't hear something or someone.
Which looked pretty bad, considering they didn't sound too bad from the crowd, there were some obvious imperfections but it was easy to shove aside. Though the unprofessional behaviour and messing about ruined them.

Also, at the end of this gig, the frontman threw his guitar down and yelled "****ing guitar, never stays in tune" real loud. Which looked...well...not good.

This was ruined even more byt the fact two members were professional musicians.

So the moral of this story is:

Ensure you're in tune. A pedal tuner is the easiest way to do this.
Bring your own backline. Some would say "If you're sure you can borrow amps it's fine", but personally I'd never take the risk (when I temped for the previously mentioned band I was the only person at one of the gigs we played who had all my own gear).
Make sure that you don't half-ass the soundcheck. It can mess you up when actually playing the show.

I have a few more horror stories but I thought this was a nice all-in-one.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:43 PM   #63
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I'll just leave this here.

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Old 02-02-2011, 03:56 PM   #64
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Thank you^. Someone gets what I was trying to say. I wanted to edit this example into my last post, but for some reason whenever I tried to post the edit the page froze up on me so here it is. This was meant to be an additional example to support my point.

EDIT (forgot to adress this with a practical example):

That's why if your whole band uses the same model of tuner you'll all
at least be tuned relative to eachother. Thats the whole point
of this idea. If you're all out 6 cents in one direction (and you
WILL all be out in the same direction, if you're all out in the
opposite direction you're idiots), then at least you're all equal
to eachother. If one is out 1 cent and the rest are out 6 cents,
there's your problem. You have to throw out the concept of perfect pitch and realize that in live situations relative pitch is what matters on the quick. In the studio there's really no excuse or reason not to use the same tuner.

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I feel like you're not really grasping the way this works.

+/- 3 cents does not mean you will all be 3 cents sharp (therefor in tune relative to each other). It means the tuner can't get any more accurate than 3 cents in either direction.

So if we are both using a TU2, you might be 3 cents sharp and I could be 3 cents flat. So we are out of tune with each other by 6 cents.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:51 AM   #65
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Forget the tuner thing. I'm obviously not making sense to anyone. Stick to what works for you, maybe someday someone here will sit down and what I'm saying will finally click.

As far as the piano example, if you re-read what I said you'll realize you regurgiated what I said. There was nothing there to disagree with me on about that. We both said the same thing about when introducing any equal temperament instrument that everyone must now be as close as possible to perfect pitch.

I'm not gonna de-rail this thread over this.

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Old 02-03-2011, 01:34 AM   #66
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Bright Light, sorry, but that really doesn't make any sense to me. I understand what you're trying to say, but it doesn't make any sense. If someone had a tuner that was off +/- 2 cents and the other had a tuner that was off +/- 3 cents, they'd still be at most, 5 cents apart. If they both had the same tuner that was +/- 2 cents, they'd be at most 4 cents apart. Unless there's some dark forces at work, I honestly can't say your idea makes any sense.
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^well thats exactly why im promoting the use of the same tuner for every band member.
Based on what you said, we're saying the same thing.

Maybe I should re-check my own syntax?

My entire point is that 2 guitars + bass in a band is better off all using the same model of tuner. Whether thats a TU-2 or whatever else.

This will result in much more consisten tuning within the whole band than to have one guy using a TU-2 another a Kord DT-10 another some Fender tuner and yet another a Polytune(nice tuners btw).

I'm sorry I didn't mean to have any attitude about this at all or even make the tuner thing as wordy as I did, I just thought I was clear enough in my first post and was mostly surprised because it seemed like people were misreading my post.
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Old 02-03-2011, 02:24 AM   #68
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Just to add a spanner in the works (don't take this to fuel this little debate as I think it's slowly coming off topic now. Maybe make a new thread to discuss the use of multiple tuners in a band in the bandleading section if you wish to continue I think. ), in my band I use a polytune and my bassist uses a TU-2.

And we sound perfectly in tune with eachother.
Like, that is to everyone, crowds, people hearing us and ourselves (my bassist hasn't got trained ears or anything but me and my drummer regularly transcribe music and stuff, so our ears are a bit more tuned than the average person).

I think the whole "use the same tuner" thing only really matters if you're using low quality tuners.

This is without knowing any of the stuff about tuners. But I'd just say, get two accurate tuners, they'll be accurate enough with no heartbreak!
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Old 02-03-2011, 03:00 AM   #69
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don`t drink alcohol or consume mind altering drugs (if you are into that crap) before your set. you will fumble most of the gig and you`ll get a reputation of amateur alcoholics or druggies, you will gain a bad reputation and will never be taken seriously.


I have to disagree with that. I can be completely trashed and can still play instruments accurately.

Most bands that you see live are either drunk/high/stoned/what have you.
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Old 02-03-2011, 03:18 AM   #70
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I have to disagree with that. I can be completely trashed and can still play instruments accurately.

Most bands that you see live are either drunk/high/stoned/what have you.


I think that point really depends on the individual!

I myself couldn't perform at a good manner if I was drunk.
But some people just don't have their playing affected by booze.
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Old 02-03-2011, 03:40 AM   #71
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I think that point really depends on the individual!

I myself couldn't perform at a good manner if I was drunk.
But some people just don't have their playing affected by booze.


That was my point. Ibanezwhatever was trying to say that no one should do anything before playing. Some people can handle it, some people can't.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:52 AM   #72
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I have to disagree with that. I can be completely trashed and can still play instruments accurately.

Most bands that you see live are either drunk/high/stoned/what have you.

Indeed. I used to play with a singer that refused to go on stage if the drummer and I weren't at least a little stoned - especially me. I couldn't blame him either, even I could tell that I played better stoned. My theory was that it was the whole goldfish in the maze thing in operation, we were always stoned when we rehearsed.
Different strokes for different folks. I can't play when I'm drunk to save my life, give me a few cones and my fingers come alive.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:15 AM   #73
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don`t drink alcohol or consume mind altering drugs (if you are into that crap) before your set. you will fumble most of the gig and you`ll get a reputation of amateur alcoholics or druggies, you will gain a bad reputation and will never be taken seriously.


Meh, if I wasn't a few beers in my playing's very stiff and I focus pretty much on just getting the job done. Throw alcohol in the mix and you have fun, then everyone else has fun. You gotta remember, as a tiny band playing in the no-name slots on the bill, it's goddamned hard to make an impression without something to lubricate that.

The issue arrises when you're the only one in your band drinking/not drinking. If your the only sober one, you're gunna notice the little imperfections that are gunna throw the gig for you, if your the only one drunk the rest of the band will notice that. My old singer used to drive everywhere so me & the drummer would have a couple of pints and get a bit loosey-goosey before we went on, and then he'd moan that "we were wasted and didn't know what we were doing." Not saying it's all or nothing just make sure the record is set if you want a drink/something special before you play.
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I only read the first couple of pages, so maybe this has been mentioned, but what I find useful is the 5-10 minutes before you go on ALWAYS keep tuning up. I remember in my old school band a like our second or third show I tuned up about ten minutes before we gone on and just left. Oh boy did our first song sound turd. My G string was way too flat and made chords and lead's sound awful. And then tuning it after the song was pretty embarrassing when there is a crowd waiting for the next song.

After that moment I pretty much kept tuning my guitar every minute five minutes before we gone on, so that it remained perfectly in tune. You might think that your guitar will be fine, but considering that the temperature in a live venue tends to be different than in your bedroom at home, you'll be surprised at how quickly your guitar will go out of tune if you don't keep tuning it before the show.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:12 PM   #75
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I don't have a pedal board at the moment (I'm only using two pedals though), so I was planning on just taping my cables down to keep everything in place pretty well. My only question was that the cable I'm running to my guitar is one of the white telephone cord-style cables, and i wasn't sure if taping that down would work. Is it recommended?
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Never piss off the soundman.

Here's an example.

A shitty band were playing at a local venue who were playing alongside my friends band. During their set they yelled - "Soundguy is shit, turn up the ****ing vocals!"

As you may have guessed this didn't go down well with the soundguy.

They were in the middle of playing killing in the name of.

Every 2 seconds you could here very quietly "**** you I won't" *MASSIVE feedback* " do what ya tell me"

This proceeded for the rest of the set. Needless to say, it was hilarious
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Go to hell if you do any of the following
A. show up late to a gig
B. show up without a tuner
C. not showing up at all.

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For any gigging musician: Keep it as simple as possible! Honestly, don't go for the amazing tones, go for simplicity that works. Nothing is worse than having no sound when you're supposed to go up, and you have to troubleshoot 20 things.

Guitars (+ backups), Amp, Cabinet, multi-effects, ground switcher. That's it for me. I don't want to waste time setting up, breaking down, or have things break on me without spare.
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this.

saw a guy setting up for a show in a small club this weekend with 4 marshall 4x12 cabs, one head (right, i thought the same thing ), 6 guitars not counting his acoustic, a theramin, almost countless pedals with no board etc. even my gal suspected he was overstocked. i did my best to keep silent about it.

at the very most i bring a guitar, head, cab, tuner pedal and OD to small gigs. sometimes 2 guitars but have yet to use the second one.

i do have a repair kit tool box stocked with extra cables, tubes, strings, screwdrivers, gaffers tape and pliers in case of emergency though. because i bring the kit, i've never had to open it. i believe the first time i leave it at home, i'll regret it. i only play in a small club or parties etc though, for fun.
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Agreed with the simple thing.
I think the only place you should be allowed to go complex is your pedalboard (by which I mean an actual pedalboard, which is ready to go from the off, not 100 pedals which all need crazy methods of connection). Providing nothing's a failure risk then it should be all good.
Or maybe a 2 amp A/B setup, cos the only complications that brings is with the transport (of course if you're putting two band members gear in a small ford fiesta this is a no-no!).

Not that this applies to me right now, a small amp head and a 1x12 cab with 3-4 simple pedals.
Though I wouldn't mind an A/B amp setup one day, just need a job first...
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