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Old 01-23-2011, 04:05 AM   #1
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Is MoP considered easy?

I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.


It's giving me quite a hard time though. Not only did I have to resort to looking at a tab to get it to sound right, I'm only at the part and I can't play it to speed.

|-----2-----3-----4-----3-----2-2-----2-----3------5\4---5\4---5\4---|
|-0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1-----0-1---0-1---0-0--3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2---|


And just THAT'S giving me trouble so far....but I feel like it's a drill. Like a chromatic exercise I've never tried before.


So, is Master of Puppets considered an easy song? I'm trying it out because I've never really played anything heavy before.

Oh also, am I supposed to use only downpicking in this song? No alternates?

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Old 01-23-2011, 04:14 AM   #2
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your not supposed to do anything play it how you want(mettalica just played it like that)
and its not an easy song at all(easy being somthing a begginer should be able to play
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:14 AM   #3
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When was master of puppets considered easy..?
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:30 AM   #4
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I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.


It's giving me quite a hard time though. Not only did I have to resort to looking at a tab to get it to sound right, I'm only at the part and I can't play it to speed.

|-----2-----3-----4-----3-----2-2-----2-----3------5\4---5\4---5\4---|
|-0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1-----0-1---0-1---0-0--3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2---|


And just THAT'S giving me trouble so far....but I feel like it's a drill. Like a chromatic exercise I've never tried before.


So, is Master of Puppets considered an easy song? I'm trying it out because I've never really played anything heavy before.

Oh also, am I supposed to use only downpicking in this song? No alternates?


People tend to like to do this riff downpicking only. Key is, start very slowly, and work your way up with a metronome. I used to be able to do this riff downpicking only, but my downpicking is utter crap now, so I tend to alternate pick it.

Master of Puppets is considered as a beginner/ intermediate song at most. This riff also makes for a very good warm up exercise
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:42 AM   #5
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When was master of puppets considered easy..?

as far as guitar-heavy songs go master of puppets is relatively easy, especially once you begin to compare it to things by satch or vai or malmsteen....
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:42 AM   #6
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:20 AM   #7
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I find that if I alternate pick it's so much easier and I can mostly play up to speed. But I want to improve my downpicking (so I can be faster with palm muted powerchords) with it so I'm challenging myself to keep playing the entire song only downpicks.

Also, so far it looks like the only tricky part was the one I was stuck at. You're right, it makes for a good warmup.


Only downpicking hurts my hand, what am I doing wrong?
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:40 AM   #8
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as far as guitar-heavy songs go master of puppets is relatively easy, especially once you begin to compare it to things by satch or vai or malmsteen....

That still doesn't make it easy.

Master of Puppets isn't "easy" - fact.
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:42 AM   #9
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I find that if I alternate pick it's so much easier and I can mostly play up to speed. But I want to improve my downpicking (so I can be faster with palm muted powerchords) with it so I'm challenging myself to keep playing the entire song only downpicks.

Also, so far it looks like the only tricky part was the one I was stuck at. You're right, it makes for a good warmup.


Only downpicking hurts my hand, what am I doing wrong?



Do you mean after a while? I used to get that when I started but now I can downpick at that speed and faster until the cows come home.
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:48 AM   #10
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Good to know it should actually be a challenge


Also, yeah, I mean after like about half a minute. My wrist starts to hurt. I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to play through that kind of pain so I stop. I'm too used to just alternate picking.

I can only downpick about 208 bpm quarter notes...
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That still doesn't make it easy.

Master of Puppets isn't "easy" - fact.

maybe I'm getting it confused with a different metalica song but once you learn it it is rather easy (I mean there are plenty of other songs that are still really chalenging even after learning them).... I wouldn't classify it as a beginners song, more of an intermediate song but I would say it is still on the easier side. especially since there are a bunch of beginners that decide they want to learn some crazy song gby dragonforce or btbam, which I would classify as more difficult than puppets.
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Old 01-23-2011, 06:19 AM   #13
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maybe I'm getting it confused with a different metalica song but once you learn it it is rather easy (I mean there are plenty of other songs that are still really chalenging even after learning them).... I wouldn't classify it as a beginners song, more of an intermediate song but I would say it is still on the easier side. especially since there are a bunch of beginners that decide they want to learn some crazy song gby dragonforce or btbam, which I would classify as more difficult than puppets.

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Old 01-23-2011, 07:17 AM   #14
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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.
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Old 01-23-2011, 07:55 AM   #15
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Yes, because metal is the only guitar music out there.

It's not an easy song, period....if I must resort to the asinine obsession with putting numbers on everything then I'd say it's a solid 6/10. Sure, it's not the most complicated song ever written but you need a decent level of competency to play it, in particular that "spider" riff is pretty taxing if you want to downstroke it.

Kum Ba Ya, Chasing Cars, Proud Mary - those are easy songs.
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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.

Thrash metal... Extreme... Wtf? Whatever.

Master of Puppets is definitely easy compared to the majority of metal songs out there, but I wouldn't consider it an easy song... It's not something I'd recommend to someone who's only just started playing.
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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.

The Berzerker is extreme metal thrash and extreme are two very different genres.

Anywhoo, i would say that it is difficult to play cleanly. you guys are comparing a rhythm guitar song to the likes of vai and satch - who are predominantly lead.

as a rhythm guitar song, it is reasonably taxing, as downpicking constantly like in MoP makes the hand ache if done too much, and this can make playing sloppy. so, you need a reasonable level of skill and resilience to play the song. and yes, I recommend downpicking it.

difficult rhythm guitar and difficult lead guitar are two entirely different concepts. imo, being an accomplished rhythm player is much, much more important.

I hope this helps OP .

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I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.

It's not easy. It's kind of intermediate. Mostly it requires right hand endurance - nothing that's particularly deep.

In terms of being something every guitarist should know, it's NOT critical. You could easily go through an entire career as a guitarist without ever having a paying customer for MoP or having it called out at a jam.
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I practiced that part to death before I got it right (at least by my standards). Despite what some self-proclaimed experts say, the song isn't by any means easy. Not the most challenging there is, but still.
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When was master of puppets considered easy..?


This songs is Easy for intermediate players. Once you know how to play guitar and you have some good techniques and reversibility going, this is a great, easy song to learn because:

The parts are in a clear order

There are rest parts between the intricate parts, so you go from leads to thrash power chords while maintaining intensity.

As you sit down and work on it, the parts are easy to remember and you improve a lot each time you practice it.

It's a long song, so building endurance is a fantastic byproduct

So, it's not necessarily and easy song, but if you think that you are good enough to learn it, it's a great challenge with loads of playing experience rewards. GOOD LUCK!!
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