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Old 03-08-2015, 04:25 PM   #1
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correct english grammar, syntax, and usage

i was once the sort of dude to swear by elements of style. i knew it was ridiculous but i insisted on it. i even recommended a friend get a copy when i personally didn't believe a word in it.

there's something fishy here. it wasn't the bible and i didn't go to the church of strunk&white. but nonetheless it somehow mattered to me just as correct english clearly matters to others, especially on the internet. i wonder why?

why do internet users get so irate when you end a sentence in a preposition?

why do they talk so badly about "ain't"?

why would they have cried out if i made the title of this thread "correct english grammer" rather than "correct english grammer, syntax, and usage"?

why did everyone bother getting so mad about "winston tastes good like a cigarette should"?

i'm not asking why these things are perceived to be mistakes. i'm asking why anyone cares. do you care? share you thoughts about "grammar naziism" and associated phenomena.*

*if i wrote "phenomenons" would that have bothered you?
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Old 03-08-2015, 04:27 PM   #2
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Why don't you capitalize anything smh
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I have noticed your use of the Oxford comma in your title. Noted and treated with contempt, my friend.
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yeah people who don't use capitals hit me in my feels, i dont wanna talk about it
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Old 03-08-2015, 04:32 PM   #5
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I have noticed your use of the Oxford comma in your title. Noted and treated with contempt, my friend.


this is at least regarded as a stylistic choice, yeah? why is not so for splitting infinitives or likewise? at least as news article commenters are concerned, it's strictly wrong and these days i'm trying to figure out wth that means
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It's all about the "haha look how smart I am, internet". Something you're familiar with.
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I'm more a fan of, the Brockman comma
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It's because some people want to feel superior over others, especially in an anonymous Internet setting. It's easy to say "haha you're dumb for not getting the grammar correct" than to let it go. Oftentimes others, I guess, genuinely get upset over such misspellings and grammar misuse but I, on the other hand, don't care.

The sentences above might be grammatically incorrect but idgf
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this is at least regarded as a stylistic choice, yeah? why is not so for splitting infinitives or likewise? at least as news article commenters are concerned, it's strictly wrong and these days i'm trying to figure out wth that means

My university advised us in the department handbook not to split infinitives in our essays, but yeah, I think that's an archaic stylistic choice.

Same thing with the Oxford comma, I suppose. Not allowed at my uni but generally acceptable in formal writing in society.

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I'm more a fan of, the Brockman comma

I'm, more of a fan, of the, Walken, comma.

Or Stevie from Malcolm In The Middle's speech pattern.

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"Not allowed at my uni"

but like what
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"Not allowed at my uni"

but like what

My department* then (it was an essay-based subject)

Wouldn't like to generalise (I'm sure the Business department was a grammatical rule a la carte ), but we certainly had very precise grammatical rules. Many of which would seem archaic to most folk.

Not that I was any good at following them

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Old 03-08-2015, 05:20 PM   #12
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Proscriptive grammar is stupid.

I'm kinda whatever about grammar and syntax. I'm no e.e. cummings, but I like a comfortable middle ground.
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Old 03-08-2015, 05:42 PM   #13
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It bothers me because it is just lazy. I mean, is it THAT difficult to hit shift at the start of a sentence? What comes off as an utter contempt for any effort or thought bothers me in any area of life, particularly driving. If they are a lazy writer they are likely a lazy driver and should promptly be buried without a headstone.

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Old 03-08-2015, 06:47 PM   #14
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Grammar nazis love being right at any cost. Maybe their lives are shitty and pointing out other people's mistakes makes them feel a certain power that they can't attain otherwise.
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I don't understand the stigma against splitting infinitives, since I'm hearing about that for the first time. Can someone explain?
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It bothers me because it is just lazy. I mean, is it THAT difficult to hit shift at the start of a sentence? What comes off as an utter contempt for any effort or thought bothers me in any area of life, particularly driving. If they are a lazy writer they are likely a lazy driver and should promptly be buried without a headstone.

Short story: Bad grammar indicates laziness or thoughtlessness, both of which make me bro-mad

im so sorry u feel that way
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Anyone who doesn't use the Oxford comma angers me.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:50 PM   #20
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oh man, i have a copy of that elements and style book. never read it tho.
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