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Old 03-11-2011, 12:45 PM   #41
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If feminism wasn't about bulldykes moaning about the fact that we men are so simple and stupid, I'd do it.

Yeah, like every female is so ****ing intelligent.

EDIT: Having said that, I respect women, just as I represents men. They're individuals, and to me, other factors are more important.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:46 PM   #42
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you get cheaper car insurance AND are more likely to get a job.

What the **** you moaning about.

I think you totally missed the point
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:46 PM   #43
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Why consider yourself a feminist if women in pretty much all the locations of the people on here have equal rights already, and all you will get for being feminist is having people extremely prejudiced negatively towards you?


Because women are still treated unfairly. At the workplace it's harder for women to get a higher position because there's this idea that they're not fit for the job.


Women have it a lot better than they did 50 years ago, but there's still a long way to go.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:47 PM   #44
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Maybe it's because you were white No seriously though, we have the same qualms...


you should change your user title... please?


Nah it's because there are so many women in pre-schools they needed more men. The system works.

Hm howso? And to what?
edit: oh right. Well, make it worth it.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:47 PM   #45
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black people were just asking for it right?

They had very good reasons back then, and sometimes they do have those reasons now, but you can't deny that a lot of people just look for discrimination. Some people even play the race card when they are fired for obvious reasons.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:48 PM   #46
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If people are in favour of equal rights they've got the important bit down, it doesn't matter if they call themselves a feminist. This thread seems to be mainly about semantics.

You're right, it is about semantics - semantics play such a huge role in how people view an argument and how receptive they may be to an issue. Literally all I am trying to do is make people more receptive to a broader term of the word 'feminist' so that if an issue does arise at some point in their lives, they don't jump to conclusions.


Most of you are already very much into equal rights. I am happy about that. Most of you are probably also feminists. I'd just like people to be comfortable with the term so it isn't such a faux pas anymore.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:53 PM   #47
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Nah it's because there are so many women in pre-schools they needed more men. The system works.

Hm howso? And to what?
edit: oh right. Well, make it worth it.

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They had very good reasons back then, and sometimes they do have those reasons now, but you can't deny that a lot of people just look for discrimination. Some people even play the race card when they are fired for obvious reasons.

People do stupid things all the time. There are middle-aged people who still shove crayons up their nose. You can't judge an entire cause based off of only the dumb/extreme people. Those people who play the race card when it isn't there are discriminatory themselves because they assumed something from a person of another race without considering the other options.


Still, is it really worth it to you to discount the entire movement based off of those few points? You said yourself that you're all about equality, so why go into this with a weary attitude?
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:54 PM   #48
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Ah, feminism. I remember studying that and going to lectures and listening to rants about feminism and so on. Generally, feminism is women wanting equal rights to men, not equal rights for both genders (hopefully this makes sense to everyone else and not just me), as opposed to what the OP suggests. So yeah...not a fan of feminism myself.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:55 PM   #49
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Its not just an equal rights issue. I heard a stat the other day where women do 2/3 of the worlds work, but make 10% of the money and own 1% of the property (or something like that). Keep in mind, that much of this stat is outside of the western world.

Its sort of a division of unpaid labour thing. Most of the work they are talking about in the stats is housework, unpaid housework. The new feminism is in the home, and sharing the work load is the goal. I think men sometimes overlook just how much work goes into housekeeping and child-rearing.

If that is feminism, I've been one for a long time. I do almost all the cooking at home, I give the baby a bath every day, I do the gardening. And I'm the primary bread-winner. I don't mind. It gets me out of the doghouse with ease.

Edit: I'm one of the few who voted yes, I would change my title.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:56 PM   #50
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:57 PM   #51
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for about a year, my parents worked the same job, for the same amount of time when they were in their 20s, in a resteurant behind the counter.

my mother got paid almost £1000/annum more than me dad, doing the same job on the same shift.

stop yer moaning. Every girl i know is better off financially than me.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:58 PM   #52
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Ah, feminism. I remember studying that and going to lectures and listening to rants about feminism and so on. Generally, feminism is women wanting equal rights to men, not equal rights for both genders (hopefully this makes sense to everyone else and not just me), as opposed to what the OP suggests. So yeah...not a fan of feminism myself.

There's different forms of feminism, brah. Mary Astell isn't exactly the same as Selma James. And there are even some feminists like myself who believe that stripping, pornography, and other things of that nature count as feminist.

Anyway, that's why I don't approve of Saadia's idea. My idea of feminism can be different from hers. I don't see any reason to refer to myself as one when some of the supposed misconceptions of feminism DO apply to some feminists.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:58 PM   #53
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Fine, someone has to get this ball rolling.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:58 PM   #54
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i changed my user title

we want moar jobs and cheaper insurance!

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Old 03-11-2011, 12:59 PM   #55
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I think a lot about feminism, and just where I fall into place, of course I believe that all people should be treated equally, but in the finer points I get lost



hopefully this thread will be a little thought provoking
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:00 PM   #56
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People do stupid things all the time. There are middle-aged people who still shove crayons up their nose. You can't judge an entire cause based off of only the dumb/extreme people. Those people who play the race card when it isn't there are discriminatory themselves because they assumed something from a person of another race without considering the other options.


Still, is it really worth it to you to discount the entire movement based off of those few points? You said yourself that you're all about equality, so why go into this with a weary attitude?

You're right. I didn't mean to generalise there, it just annoys me that some people use the things others have fought and died for as a facade for their own bad moves.
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There's different forms of feminism, brah. Mary Astell isn't exactly the same as Selma James. And there are even some feminists like myself who believe that stripping, pornography, and other things of that nature count as feminist.

Anyway, that's why I don't approve of Saadia's idea. My idea of feminism can be different from hers. I don't see any reason to refer to myself as one when some of the supposed misconceptions of feminism DO apply to some feminists.


That's why I said generally.
I support equality for different sexes, races, etc., regardless. I don't feel a need to label myself in that sense - to me that's just being human and respecting other human beings. Porn is a feminist thing? I could get behind that.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:01 PM   #58
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for about a year, my parents worked the same job, for the same amount of time when they were in their 20s, in a resteurant behind the counter.

my mother got paid almost £1000/annum more than me dad, doing the same job on the same shift.

stop yer moaning. Every girl i know is better off financially than me.

It's not that simple And it's not the same in every situation. This isn't an 'us vs. them' type of discussion. Obviously in this case it was unfair - there was no reason for a female to get more many than a male. It isn't equal. Doesn't that upset you?


This is the thing - feminism really isn't about female supremacy. It's just gender fairness. If you feel you're being treated unfairly based on your gender, it's a part of feminism. I personally am not moaning about anything. I just wish you had read the OP a little more seriously.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:04 PM   #59
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i quite like a bit of female supremacy, sometimes.

anyway, i see what you mean.


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Old 03-11-2011, 01:04 PM   #60
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"Isint the problem that women has a smaller brain than men"
" Our goverment scientist Dr. yamack proved that womans brain is same size as squirells brain"

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