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Old 05-15-2011, 03:29 PM   #1
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what key is enter sandman in?

ok so i'm trying to figure out what key enter sandman is in, everyone says E minor, but how is that possible if there is an F in the song, in the verse they play an F chord. theres no F in an E minor scale, i started to think it was E dorian so i started playing a G minor pent to solo with but it didnt sound right. am i crazy? is it really e minor or is that F chord in the verse just metallicas way of not following theory and just being badasses like they are haha
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:33 PM   #2
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Something is still in E minor if it includes accidentals, ie, the F. It's all about the tonal centre, which is still E. Most songs include accidentals (notes that don't fit into the original scale) and most songs are in a specific key.
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:35 PM   #3
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it's in E. it can be in E and not strictly adhere to E minor. the main riff has a Bb in it, i think, but it's still in E
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:35 PM   #4
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If the scale goes E F G A B C D E (e minor but with a flat 2nd) its just the phrygian mode of C major, making your tonal center E still. Metal uses this mode all the time.
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:35 PM   #5
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Something is still in E minor if it includes accidentals, ie, the F. It's all about the tonal centre, which is still E. Most songs include accidentals (notes that don't fit into the original scale) and most songs are in a specific key.


This.

It gives it a bit of variety and you'll need to take it accidentals into account if you're soloing over it. It's still mainly E though.
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:40 PM   #6
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If the scale goes E F G A B C D E (e minor but with a flat 2nd) its just the phrygian mode of C major, making your tonal center E still. Metal uses this mode all the time.


This.

I was about to come into this topic and say this exactly, but no need for it now.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:24 PM   #7
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If the scale goes E F G A B C D E (e minor but with a flat 2nd) its just the phrygian mode of C major, making your tonal center E still. Metal uses this mode all the time.




yea but the phrygian mode doesn't have a B flat in it
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:27 PM   #8
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Wah + E minor - artist substance = Metallica.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:28 PM   #9
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If the scale goes E F G A B C D E (e minor but with a flat 2nd) its just the phrygian mode of C major, making your tonal center E still. Metal uses this mode all the time.

Not this.

There is no "phrygian mode of C major"...E phrygian is E phrygian, and Enter Sandman isn't in it.

Why is it in E minor? Because that's the chord it resolves to.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:36 PM   #10
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NO I JUST FIGURED IT OUT ITS E DORIAN, think about it. it goes D, E, F, G, A, A#, C, D but when you solo in E dorian your really soloing in G major also know as E minor, so yes you guys are right it IS E MINOR but its REALLY E DORIAN its just they're identical. E DORIAN=E MINOR= G MAJOR
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:37 PM   #11
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but its definitely not phrygian
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No it isn't.

It's in E minor.

You solo in E minor.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:40 PM   #13
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shit i forgot about the F#, now im really confused, i guess it just goes back to the whole idea of accidentals
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:49 PM   #14
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:36 PM   #15
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It's E minor with accidentals.

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Not this.

There is no "phrygian mode of C major"...E phrygian is E phrygian, and Enter Sandman isn't in it.

Why is it in E minor? Because that's the chord it resolves to.


There is actually. E phrygian is the third mode of C major, or C ionian, which I think is what he meant.
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:16 PM   #17
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Why do people who do not understand modes insist on talking like they do? Steve's got the right of it. It's a Metallica song. It's either in E minor or B minor. I'm almost completely serious.
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:59 PM   #18
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its E locrian jesus christ
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Old 05-15-2011, 08:28 PM   #19
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NO! WRONG! IT IS NOT MODAL!

Enter Sandman is in E minor. It's got accidentals, but it's all built around the E minor scale and E minor chord progressions.
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NO! WRONG! IT IS NOT MODAL!

Enter Sandman is in E minor. It's got accidentals, but it's all built around the E minor scale and E minor chord progressions.



i think he was being sarcastic
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