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Old Yesterday, 05:56 AM   #1
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Alternative Metal

Do you consider Alternative Metal, to be metal?

I personally do. There's a reason why, though.
I believe there's a difference between not liking something and realizing something has enough take from a genre to qualify being a part of it.

Sub genres of Metal have always been this, so I don't understand why Alternative Metal would be any different. If Alternative Metal is not metal, then the same could be argued about Death Metal and Thrash Metal, which took from genres like hardcore punk.

I know Metal has a lot to do with culture, but things change, and honestly, the modern metal culture was probably nothing like the associated culture when metal was being formed.

Things change, and music expands, and will keep expanding. Genres will branch out, and incorporate different sounds and textures and will keep finding new ways to evolve.


Whether or not a specific alternative metal band is relevant to be discussed here is a different thing though.
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Death metal is metal that borrows from grindcore

Metalcore is hardcore that borrows from metal

Nu metal is sort of an umbrella term but in general is alt rock that borrows from metal among a range of other genres

What exactly do u mean by alternative metal
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Old Yesterday, 07:28 AM   #3
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Death metal is metal that borrows from grindcore

Metalcore is hardcore that borrows from metal

Nu metal is sort of an umbrella term but in general is alt rock that borrows from metal among a range of other genres

What exactly do u mean by alternative metal


I always felt that Alternative Metal was more of a mix of alternative rock with metal, and Nu metal was a spin off of alternative metal.

Alternative Metal usually consists of heavy riffs akin to metal with alternative rock/hard rock style songwriting.

Death Metal can find roots within hardcore music, technically, but everything evolves.

I figured the point of subgenres is that it's not exactly what the main genre is, but connects with it in a certain sense.

Alternative Metal definitely has a lot of heavy metal elements, but obviously a mix of a lot of other sources, which is why I always thought it's why it's called Alternative Metal. Basically Metal + Alternative Rock and/or other sources.

Nu metal I can personally say is 99% garbage in my opinion, but it still does take some sort of metal sense of heavy down tuned riffs, though it's pretty bare basic rhythms and the songwriting is extremely different than normal heavy metal.

Alternative Metal is closer home to metal to me, than Nu Metal.


One of the best alternative metal influenced albums I can point out is Soilwork's Natural Born Chaos, and if that isn't metal, I don't know what is, regardless if some people here don't like Soilwork.
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One of the best alternative metal influenced albums I can point out is Soilwork's Natural Born Chaos, and if that isn't metal, I don't know what is, regardless if some people here don't like Soilwork.


Alternative metal influenced? I had to listen to that album again 'cause I forgot what it sounded like, but if that's alternative metal then I guess it's metal, albeit really poppy. What's some other albums that you'd say are indicative of the sound of alternative metal?
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Can you give, lets say, 5 albums that you would call 'alternative metal'?
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'Alternative' anything is bullshit and there is always a better adjective for it. "Alternative' is radio nomenclature for plebs.
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'Alternative' anything is bullshit and there is always a better adjective for it. "Alternative' is radio nomenclature for plebs.

Its like saying.. "hey you want Coca-Cola? nah man try this "equate" cola its so awesome and so much better than Coca-Cola"
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i've always considered it closer to rock than metal. i don't listen to that stuff anymore though so i don't think about it much. i'm happy with "i know it when i hear it"
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Define "Alternative" Rock and "Alternative" Metal and I think we can have a discussion.

Stupid fucking term.
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It's like an umbrella term for grunge, nu-metal, and weird sounding hard rock bands. We need a bunch of bands/albums that you consider 'alternative metal' because the term is not well defined. It is possible for a band classified as 'alternative metal' to be metal, but not necessarily true that every band classified as 'alternative metal' is a metal band.
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Often I find thrash metal a viable alternative to my death metal diet. Power, trad, black and doom also. As you can see I alternate between all the good types of metal quite a bit
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