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Old 07-22-2011, 04:05 PM   #21
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Seen 'tallica live too, last time was two years ago i think. They play their stuff good (Exept solos, kirk manages to mess them up as simple as they are), because its very simple, but i like James' voice now more than his yearly years (scratch AJFA period).
Black metal bands usually put much better shows, not only play well but put theatrical preformance as well. But you might not be fond of black metal.

Lets just say that there are better bands than Metallica in all senses, nothing wrong with liking them tho.

Sorry for derailing this thread even more, i shall stop now


Oh, I like black metal alright; that's actually mostly what I play - blackened thrash/death riffs. The closest thing I've seen to a black metal show though was Behemoth. I really want to see Immortal and Enslaved. I would have liked to see Dimmu but I hate their new stuff.

Alright I'll stop derailing now...
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Old 07-22-2011, 04:29 PM   #22
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doesnt get more br00tal than that

i guess we killed this thread
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:13 PM   #23
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That's cool. I'd imagine that you learned those songs by preference as much as for technique.

Actually I wasn't into death metal at the time. I learned them because another user had suggested them when I asked a question exactly like the question he has asked ("What could help me play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting" or something along those lines).
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Rofl, why would anyone want cannibal corpse to teach them anything? No offense, but don't they just tremelo pick and blast beat every note of every song and talk about raping lifeless cadavers? It's funny but its not good at all, sorry.

Metallica/Megadeth pretty much invented thrash (or at least brought it out of the club scene), so I don't see how they could be a "bad example" for learning thrash.

Are you serious? For the last time, he didn't ask specifically for good thrash riffs to learn palm-muting, he just asked for good examples that could enable him to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting (read the first post), and a lot of Cannibal Corpse songs are a great resource to use for that purpose, such as the ones I mentioned in my first post. So I'm saying Metallica is a bad example to learn palm-muting, because their songs are very easy to play with palm-muting (playing 10 opens then a few power chords isn't a challenge), and if you always play easy stuff that won't help at all. I didn't even say the same about Megadeth though, so you including that was irrelevant. Also, the criticisms you made about Cannibal Corpse are very ignorant and uninformed. You could very easily say something very generalizing like that about every band, and even every genre.
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:36 PM   #24
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learn every single song on kill em all. and ride the lightning, great thrash riffage on both albums...not so much the soloing since its just pentatonic licks and shred with the wah-wah...but great riffage. Also Flotsam and Jetsam! doomsday for the deceiver!!


EDIT: overkill : IRONBOUND. (entire album listen to it at least).
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Old 07-23-2011, 07:08 AM   #25
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The verse riff from Ride the Lightnings a pretty good one, and the verses from Peace Sells by Megadeth and Madhouse by Anthrax. But thats just down picking.

Its not thrash, but Painkiller is great for pedal note picking, which is used a lot in thrash.
New Wave of British Heavy Metal stuff can be very useful as that influenced thrash alot. Am I Evil is a perfect example you could check out that would help a lot. Iron Maiden have many great riffs for practising gallopy rhythms.

For Alternate picking palm muted you could try Holy Wars, Angel of Death and Hit the Lights.

Start slow first, some of these riffs I have suggested start at a pretty comfortable tempo thats good to start on.
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:16 PM   #26
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Are you serious? For the last time, he didn't ask specifically for good thrash riffs to learn palm-muting, he just asked for good examples that could enable him to play fast thrash metal riffs with palm-muting (read the first post), and a lot of Cannibal Corpse songs are a great resource to use for that purpose, such as the ones I mentioned in my first post. So I'm saying Metallica is a bad example to learn palm-muting, because their songs are very easy to play with palm-muting (playing 10 opens then a few power chords isn't a challenge), and if you always play easy stuff that won't help at all. I didn't even say the same about Megadeth though, so you including that was irrelevant. Also, the criticisms you made about Cannibal Corpse are very ignorant and uninformed. You could very easily say something very generalizing like that about every band, and even every genre.


Don't get mad when people state facts, I don't like or respect any band that relies on tremelo picking/blast beats for 75% of every song, it's talentless and boring as playing pop music on guitar (Pop is just I, V, vi, IV over and over till you throw up). But, if tremolo and blast beats are your thing, then by all means go for it. IMO they aren't the best people to get guitar riffs from. I recommended old metallica/megadeth cause they used more than power chords in a song, you want to get good at palm muting you play a clean intro then ram right into it like "battery" or something. Your hands go from chord shapes to power chord shapes and you have to palm mute, so your doing an extra step. Instead of just moving one shape around like with cannibal corpse.

It's cool if you like them, I just don't. I see very little musicality in anything they do, especially vocally or on the guitar.

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Old 02-11-2013, 09:42 PM   #27
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Try to play the whole Show No Mercy album.
After that, try South of Heaven for more complexity. ...And Justice For All is also pretty good for practicing a little complexity, with speed.

I learned how to double-pick, gallop, and do whatever it's called when you play power chords with the open low-E in between each chord (think of The Toxic Waltz), all by playing Metallica and Megadeth.

Try Anthrax too, mainly the album Among The Living.



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Metallica - Leper Messiah. Do it.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:39 AM   #28
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Pantera's The Art of Shredding comes to mind when I think of thrash riffs. Awesome song title too.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #29
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Don't get mad when people state facts, I don't like or respect any band that relies on tremelo picking/blast beats for 75% of every song, it's talentless and boring as playing pop music on guitar (Pop is just I, V, vi, IV over and over till you throw up). But, if tremolo and blast beats are your thing, then by all means go for it. IMO they aren't the best people to get guitar riffs from. I recommended old metallica/megadeth cause they used more than power chords in a song, you want to get good at palm muting you play a clean intro then ram right into it like "battery" or something. Your hands go from chord shapes to power chord shapes and you have to palm mute, so your doing an extra step. Instead of just moving one shape around like with cannibal corpse.

It's cool if you like them, I just don't. I see very little musicality in anything they do, especially vocally or on the guitar.



Can you play Frantic Disembowelment? C'mon, download the tab. Its so easy! Its all power chords, single notes and some tremolo picking, maybe couple of slides and hammer ons. Beginners stuff, you'll love it.
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Can you play Frantic Disembowelment? C'mon, download the tab. Its so easy! Its all power chords, single notes and some tremolo picking, maybe couple of slides and hammer ons. Beginners stuff, you'll love it.


That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Honeslty, want to learn cannibal corpse? Get a drummer to hit blast beats for 3 mins and you just hit the same 3 power chords for 3 mins, add some tremelo, wa la! Song done.

Cannibal Corpse is to metal music what rapists are to women.
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That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Honeslty, want to learn cannibal corpse? Get a drummer to hit blast beats for 3 mins and you just hit the same 3 power chords for 3 mins, add some tremelo, wa la! Song done.

Cannibal Corpse is to metal music what rapists are to women.



Hah! The album where this song is from is quite light on blast beats outside of this particular song. And I am not even a CC fan for petes sake... CC is overrated, sure I agree, but your generalization is rather shoddy. Or you are trolling. Oh well, whatever.
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That song, like most cannibal corpse, is a terrible, terrible song with no chorus or any remnants of what a song should be. I think cannibal corpse is making the worst music they possibly can and trying to see how many of you idiots are dumb enough to buy it.

Didn't you just get done saying that straight tremolos and blast beats were akin to writing bad pop music (that genre that relies on one song structure and building to a catchy chorus)? Not sure if troll or idiot.


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Still not sure. But if you can keep cranking sentences like that out, you could be their lyricist.
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To anyone reading this to try and learn something, remember that while some riffs (let's take Metallica riffs for a relevant example) might not be "that fast" (I'm not sure when 190bpm 16ths became slow either...), you're supposed to be practicing them slowly anyway to get the full benefit of practice.

So that being said, if you're trying to learn thrash riffs then it doesn't really matter if the riff is "only" 160bpm 16ths or whatever instead of 220bpm 16ths. When practicing you will rarely be playing these near their max tempo anyway, and once you get to the point where you can comfortably play that then you should have listened to enough thrash music to be able to make your own decisions on what riffs to practice and songs to learn =)
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To anyone reading this to try and learn something, remember that while some riffs (let's take Metallica riffs for a relevant example) might not be "that fast" (I'm not sure when 190bpm 16ths became slow either...), you're supposed to be practicing them slowly anyway to get the full benefit of practice.

So that being said, if you're trying to learn thrash riffs then it doesn't really matter if the riff is "only" 160bpm 16ths or whatever instead of 220bpm 16ths. When practicing you will rarely be playing these near their max tempo anyway, and once you get to the point where you can comfortably play that then you should have listened to enough thrash music to be able to make your own decisions on what riffs to practice and songs to learn =)


I don't think you can find any Metallica songs that have 220 bpm sixteenth notes... 8th notes sure, but not 16th.. Not 190 bpm either..

I agree on the slow practicing part though, not just for thrash riffs though but for everything. You should be able to play it at such a slow tempo that you can control everything you do and not make any mistakes at first, then speed up.

One thing i use that i recommend is start taking a deep breath on the first beat of the a measure, then breath out on the first beat of the second measure. (Or if the tempo is higher, breath in deeply for 2 measures and out for 2 measures) Thinking of playing and breathing deeply at the same time often force you to go down to a good practice tempo, cause otherwise you will mess up.
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I don't think you can find any Metallica songs that have 220 bpm sixteenth notes... 8th notes sure, but not 16th.. Not 190 bpm either..


You misread my post. I wasn't referring to Metallica songs, I was saying how just because something isn't insanely fast (220bpm 16ths being what I call insanely fast) doesn't mean it isn't something useful to practice.

As for 190bpm Metallica songs, try Dyer's Eve.
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Dyer's Eve is one of the hardest Metallica songs, indeed.

But MOP is about 210 bpm, and in the main solo ... it's 8th triplets ... tremolo part or any others licks.
I don't think there are Metallica songs with some part at about 200 bpm 16th ... it's Metallica, don't forget it.
8th are played, the most of the time, with downpicking, rythm part and because the tempo is very fast (like MOP for example) ... Kirk uses some 8th triplets ... I'm pretty sure he can't play 16ths at this tempo.

If there are some parts with 16ths in a Metallica songs, the tempo shouldn't be high.

Well it's just some supposition ... :P
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Didn't you just get done saying that straight tremolos and blast beats were akin to writing bad pop music (that genre that relies on one song structure and building to a catchy chorus)? Not sure if troll or idiot.



Still not sure. But if you can keep cranking sentences like that out, you could be their lyricist.


To the first part, your a total moron if you think pop song's have choruses at all. The whole song is a chorus with no verse/pre verse/breakdown or solo needed. I know you just like arguing, as your also the moron who thinks modes are super useful, but maybe you should learn what the hell your talking about first. Don't believe me? How about a rock star who has been in the business for 20+ years?



To the second part, I know I seem like a rockstar to someone with a tiny mind such as yourself, here is a quote from the band about their lyrical content: "All our songs are short stories that, if anyone would so choose they could convert it into a horror movie. Really, that's all it is. We like gruesome, scary movies, and we want the lyrics to be like that. Yeah, it's about killing people."

What wonderful philosophical lyrics these gentlemen write. Perhaps if they ever wrote a song that meant anything to themselves, they would write something good for the first time ever. As it stands, they seem to admit only sociopaths and idiots should be motivated by their music. I'm going to assume your a idiot.
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To the second part, I know I seem like a rockstar to someone with a tiny mind such as yourself, here is a quote from the band about their lyrical content: "All our songs are short stories that, if anyone would so choose they could convert it into a horror movie. Really, that's all it is. We like gruesome, scary movies, and we want the lyrics to be like that. Yeah, it's about killing people."

What wonderful philosophical lyrics these gentlemen write. Perhaps if they ever wrote a song that meant anything to themselves, they would write something good for the first time ever. As it stands, they seem to admit only sociopaths and idiots should be motivated by their music. I'm going to assume your a idiot.



Or a fan of goreporn horror and B slasher movies. I am not, but I get why someone is. And philosophical lyrics, or lack of, you are correct. Closest to a song CC has that that resembles "deep" is the title song of the album where Frantic Disembowelment is also from, The Wretched Spawn. A song about thoughts of a woman who conceives a child that had its start from rape.

Why you are so hostile about this? What did the band or its fans do to you? CC is like trashy popcorn flick. Quick fix for speed and violence, combination of Saw and Michael Bay. We know it and its fans know it but only you seem to have a big problem with it.
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