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Old 07-29-2011, 04:59 PM   #1
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help finding suitable guitar

I am looking desperately for a 24-fret guitar which can stay in tune pretty well but no locking tuners of any kind, I want to be able to switch between tunings. Passive pickups ONLY. I am interested in mainly les paul style shapes but I can settle for an ibanez style body, but no X or Zs. A trem-arm is preferable but not a must. I play only metal so clean tones are not a priority. My price range is $600-1000. Any ideas?
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:03 PM   #2
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:04 PM   #3
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I want to be able to switch between tunings. A trem-arm is preferable but not a must.


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Old 07-29-2011, 05:07 PM   #4
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:07 PM   #5
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Yeah TS, I don't think you're gonna find a guitar with an non-locking trem that stays in tune well.

The Ibanez ARZ series and the ESP Eclipse series have guitars you should check out.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:11 PM   #6
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Yeah, if you want to switch tunings, you're going to need a hardtail/string through/whatever. And Why would Locking tuners stop you from switching tunings? All they do is help it stay in tune, which is what you want.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:13 PM   #7
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changing tunings easily means no trem for you i'm afraid. Ibanez make lots of 24 fret fixed bridge guitars now. Check out the RGA series as well as the ones i mentioned earlier
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:14 PM   #8
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Yeah, if you want to switch tunings, you're going to need a hardtail/string through/whatever. And Why would Locking tuners stop you from switching tunings? All they do is help it stay in tune, which is what you want.


I think he just doesn't want the hassle of unlocking the nut to change tunings.

And what happened to UG's Balrog?!
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:17 PM   #9
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Can TS be a bit more specific as to what guitar you're looking for? Any particular pickups and hardware that you want? A thin neck, thick neck, jumbo frets, small frets, any particular body style etc?

Try to be specific and it'll make finding what you want a lot more straightforward. Right now, you have hundreds of guitars to choose from that match what you said.

If you're doing multiple tunings, avoid tremolos. Especially ones with Floyd Roses. Standard non-locking trems aren't much of a hassle to work with though, but you must be willing to sacrifice some tuning stability with such a system.

If tuning stability is paramount and you're doing different tunings, go for a fixed bridge.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:35 PM   #10
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i think you're mixing up locking tuners and a locking nut.

also unless you block the trem or screw it tight to the top of the body, that's your problem regarding switching tunings, not the tuners.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:38 PM   #11
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:26 PM   #12
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:31 PM   #13
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I was non-specific about the trem because it's not a priority by any means, but I wouldn't mind having one for minor use. The reason I don't want this guitar to have locking tuners is because a year ago I bought an S570 which was poorly set up in the shop because I never stopped having tuning problems and tension distribution despite asking many people to look at it and restring it. Also frets started going out as if I had been playing the thing for several years, but that's another deal altogether... the whole thing soured me on the locking system which ended up being a headache.

Anyway, I prefer a thin neck, no real preference on fret size. I had been previously looking at the Eclipse series (which is probably too expensive but I am kind of considering anyway) as well as the ARZ series, but I didn't want active pickups. I hadn't really considered switching out the pickups since it seemed extra expensive and a hassle. I also don't have much experience with a variety of pickups, mostly different stock ones, but I hear di marzio might be of interest to me. I'm open to suggestions on this aspect too... I'm more interested in good crunch, not so much bass. Thank you for all the responses so far, much appreciated.
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:45 PM   #14
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thanks for the custom PRS tip, I'll look into it as well on my next long trip to the store
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:03 PM   #15
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:22 PM   #16
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in all seriousness though, some quick searches for paul reed smith led me to the Opeth signature model and it was love at first sight. Still open to suggestions though
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:46 PM   #17
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:00 PM   #18
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it's definitely peaked my interest but the extra $100 is a little ouch. I'll have to personally compare it to the PRS
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