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Old 08-22-2011, 12:52 AM   #81
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Part of the expense is the name, and the other part is that I'm pretty sure they still use discrete components instead of ICs for everything. And I think they're handwired, too.

The Little Phatty sounds awesome to me, and it can copy a lot of classic Minimoog sounds (as long as they don't use all three oscillators as audio oscillators). If that's still too much, you can get the Slim Phatty and use a MIDI controller as the keyboard.


I'm looking at ebay now and it seems the cheapest slim phatty is still over 700. I guess I'll have to look at another analog synth. I have been through so many horrible digital synths.
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I'm looking at ebay now and it seems the cheapest slim phatty is still over 700. I guess I'll have to look at another analog synth. I have been through so many horrible digital synths.

I personally am partial to the Dave Smith Mopho. The desktop version (no keyboard) is only $350, and the one with the keyboard (and more knobs for easier programming, i.e., not having to do it with the librarian/editor on the computer) is $800.

I was going to buy a desktop one, but then I saw the synth I posted earlier, so I'm going to save up a little longer and then buy one.

But yeah, I fell in love with it from the YouTube videos I've seen of it as well as the sound demos on the official site, but that's not the best way to see if a synth is right for you, so I eventually tried one out at GC. It was incredible, even better than I imagined.

I like analog and digital, personally. When digital tries to do analog, it's usually never as good as the real thing, although the most recent advances in VST analog modeling synths have gotten incredibly close (u-he ACE, DCAM Synth Squad, TimewARP 2600, a few others). Not perfect, but good enough to fool most.
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I personally am partial to the Dave Smith Mopho. The desktop version (no keyboard) is only $350, and the one with the keyboard (and more knobs for easier programming, i.e., not having to do it with the librarian/editor on the computer) is $800.

I was going to buy a desktop one, but then I saw the synth I posted earlier, so I'm going to save up a little longer and then buy one.

But yeah, I fell in love with it from the YouTube videos I've seen of it as well as the sound demos on the official site, but that's not the best way to see if a synth is right for you, so I eventually tried one out at GC. It was incredible, even better than I imagined.

I like analog and digital, personally. When digital tries to do analog, it's usually never as good as the real thing, although the most recent advances in VST analog modeling synths have gotten incredibly close (u-he ACE, DCAM Synth Squad, TimewARP 2600, a few others). Not perfect, but good enough to fool most.


In my life, I've owned a microkorg, casio cz101 and an ensoniq sq-2 and I hated them all. I am definitely going to look into this dave smith mopho.
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Old 08-22-2011, 01:08 AM   #84
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Hello keyboard thread, just wanted to say that I've been wanting to learn keyboard for a while now so a few weeks ago I finally bought one. It's just a 5 octave yamaha but it does the job for me. I was in the middle of a theory class when I bought it and it's surprising me how much easier it is to learn when I have some theory knowledge to back it up.

So, anybody have any suggestions while learning? Any advice is helpful.
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Wow, that sounds exactly like DBZ. Holy shit I want me a wavestation. Or the plugin.
I wonder if my M50 can create those kinds of sounds.

It can't do the vector synthesis (the fun part of the Wavestation, where you use the joystick to morph between various sounds), but Korg might have put in some samples from it. I know they've put some Wavestation samples in some of their other workstations, so it's a possibility. Why don't you fire the thing up and look at the samples you've got to work with?
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maybe TS can put a glossary with keyboard terms and links to synth related sites and Wiki pages in the OP.

important terms for example can be stuff like the basic wave forms (saw, square, triangle, sine, etc), basic filters (HPF, LPF, etc), ADSR, monophonic, polyphonic, additive synthesis, subtractive synthesizer, etc.
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Man that's some bullshit. I really love(d) Bruce Faulconer.

The DBZ american music was the greatest ever.



Me too. Apparently, Faulconer filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I learned about it from
the site Daizenshuu EX. It was actually the guy that I pointed out that brought it to my attention. He's on there under the name of "c_rookie monster" or something like that.

The DBZ music was fantastic. I wish DBZ Kai didn't have the soundtrack it has now. I grew up on Toonami. Yu Yu Hakasho, DBZ, DBGT, Rurori Kenshi, and all that stuff. Now it's all gone. Cartoon Network sucks now. Adult Swim has the best shows. Especially Bleach. I love Shiro Sagisu's work. It sounds sick.




OT: I still can't find the exact synth the guy was using. I'm sure I'll encounter it someday...
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It can't do the vector synthesis (the fun part of the Wavestation, where you use the joystick to morph between various sounds), but Korg might have put in some samples from it. I know they've put some Wavestation samples in some of their other workstations, so it's a possibility. Why don't you fire the thing up and look at the samples you've got to work with?

eh, I've messed with every sound in it and never really heard a DBZ type sound.

Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Everything on the M50 sounds really polished and authentic (well almost).

I get Twilight Princess vibes from a LOT of the sounds though. I don't know what synth engine they used but I'm betting it's something similar. I don't know how video game music is made though.
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What are your opinions on the yamaha np30?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-...02-i1320984.gc#

All I want is a decent keyboard with touch sensitivity and more keys than my cheap 100$ keyboard.

Is this a good one to go with?
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In my life, I've owned a microkorg, casio cz101 and an ensoniq sq-2 and I hated them all. I am definitely going to look into this dave smith mopho.

The Microkorg sucks (I shudder every time someone on here recommends it to someone as their first synth; not only does it sound bland, but the keys are barely playable because they're so tiny!), but the CZ series is pretty cool, IMHO. The CZ-101 isn't as cool as its big brothers, particularly the CZ-1, especially because of the mini-keys, but it still sounds pretty cool.

I'd never heard of the SQ-2, so I looked it up, and it's just a boring workstation, not really even a synth. Ensoniq released a number of much better products over its lifespan. Shame they're not around anymore. They got bought by Creative (the guys who make Sound Blaster sound cards and ZEN mp3 players), were merged with their biggest rivals, E-mu, and eventually dissolved, leaving only E-mu, who are just a shadow of what they once were.

It's possible that you just prefer the sound of analog. Fair enough; it's not an uncommon opinion among synth enthusiasts, especially ones who prefer older electronic music. I love analog synthesis, but I also love digital synthesis. I'm not the type of person who can just limit themselves to a narrow variety of sounds, so I like all types of synthesis. Subtractive, additive, FM, wavetable, phase distortion, sample-based, granular, scanned, physical modeling, I love them all.
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eh, I've messed with every sound in it and never really heard a DBZ type sound.

Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Everything on the M50 sounds really polished and authentic (well almost).

I get Twilight Princess vibes from a LOT of the sounds though. I don't know what synth engine they used but I'm betting it's something similar. I don't know how video game music is made though.

Well, the M50 is a workstation, so it uses samples (some workstations include various synth engines, often as expansion cards, but generally the bread and butter of a workstation is prerecorded samples, often without the ability to import new ones in that you made, so the only way to get more sounds is to buy expansion cards, although lower-end workstations don't usually have those). That's why it's realistic-sounding.

By "sound," do you mean a preset, or do you mean you've tried out every sample in the whole thing in various combinations with other samples, filters, and effects, and you couldn't coax a DBZ-type sound out of it? Because the presets often don't show off a synth or workstation's full power. They may try to, but they usually fall short of it. You could almost certainly get it to do SOMETHING DBZ-like, although you might have to get creative.

As for Twilight Princess, they aren't specific about the sound sources on Wikipedia, but it sounds like they used samples. In recent years, video game music has been made increasingly with DAWs and various plugins, although it depends. It's almost certainly recorded with a DAW, but some games have live instruments. I haven't played Twilight Princess in years, but I remember the Hyrule Field theme, and it was just orchestral samples. High-quality orchestral samples. I can't remember if it ever used any synthesized sounds, although it might've in the parts where you're a wolf and in the Realm of the Twilight.

I dunno where their samples came from, however.

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the site Daizenshuu EX. It was actually the guy that I pointed out that brought it to my attention. He's on there under the name of "c_rookie monster" or something like that.

The DBZ music was fantastic. I wish DBZ Kai didn't have the soundtrack it has now. I grew up on Toonami. Yu Yu Hakasho, DBZ, DBGT, Rurori Kenshi, and all that stuff. Now it's all gone. Cartoon Network sucks now. Adult Swim has the best shows. Especially Bleach. I love Shiro Sagisu's work. It sounds sick.




OT: I still can't find the exact synth the guy was using. I'm sure I'll encounter it someday...

Kai's dub uses the Japanese soundtrack, which is (mostly) orchestral. I actually prefer it to the Faulconer soundtrack, although I've never watched the dub of Kai, so I don't know how it gels with the cast.

Granted, Faulconer's soundtrack isn't bad, but I was sort of a purist when it came to DBZ, so I always preferred the original Japanese. At least once I knew about it and actually watched it. The dub of the original DBZ wasn't all that great by today's standards. Funimation have since done much better work. Hell, Yu Yu Hakusho had a great dub that also used all the original music with the exception of the opening and ending themes, which were translated into English and then rerecorded. Funimation generally does a great job these days, and has for years. The Kai dub is probably better than the original's.

And Bleach is something I used to really love, but now it's just awful. You're watching the dub, so you're not quite at the point where it gets completely ridiculous (it gets even more ridiculous in the manga, which is naturally further ahead). It does have a cool soundtrack, though. And a very good dub, although I think the casting choices for more recent characters are pretty poor compared with earlier ones (although I haven't seen the dub in over a year, so I dunno if any other new characters have gotten better, but I was particularly disappointed with Pesche and Dondochakka's dub voices; it's like they didn't even try to have voices similar to the originals).

DaizEX was a sweet site back in my DBZ fanboy days. I'm surprised it's still around.
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Kai's dub uses the Japanese soundtrack, which is (mostly) orchestral. I actually prefer it to the Faulconer soundtrack, although I've never watched the dub of Kai, so I don't know how it gels with the cast.


The Japanese track sounded dull to me. There wasn't much excitement in it for me. I'm just biased to Funimation's track because I grew up with it. I still watch DBZ to this day. It's an enjoyable show.

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Granted, Faulconer's soundtrack isn't bad, but I was sort of a purist when it came to DBZ, so I always preferred the original Japanese. At least once I knew about it and actually watched it. The dub of the original DBZ wasn't all that great by today's standards. Funimation have since done much better work. Hell, Yu Yu Hakusho had a great dub that also used all the original music with the exception of the opening and ending themes, which were translated into English and then rerecorded. Funimation generally does a great job these days, and has for years. The Kai dub is probably better than the original's.


There isn't too much of a difference in Kai as far as dubs go. Vegeta is a little different, as well as Piccolo.

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And Bleach is something I used to really love, but now it's just awful. You're watching the dub, so you're not quite at the point where it gets completely ridiculous (it gets even more ridiculous in the manga, which is naturally further ahead). It does have a cool soundtrack, though. And a very good dub, although I think the casting choices for more recent characters are pretty poor compared with earlier ones (although I haven't seen the dub in over a year, so I dunno if any other new characters have gotten better, but I was particularly disappointed with Pesche and Dondochakka's dub voices; it's like they didn't even try to have voices similar to the originals).


I'm not watching the dub. I'm watching the subtitled one. I record the American one every week to see where it's at. It's on episode 218 I think. In Japanese, it's on 310ish. I also read the manga just to see what I have to look forward to in the anime. I'm all caught up to date on Bleach. From the sub, the dub, and the manga.

I think they did a good job on Kenpachi and Ichigo. But in one of the movies, Kenpachi sounded weird. I'm not sure why. They also could have gotten a better Aizen in the dub. He seems... not as cool as in the Japanese one.

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I've never left my fanboy stage. I swear by DBZ. I have most of the games, including Ultimate Battle 22. I have a decent amount of movies on VHS. And my brother's room is painted with Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta on each wall.
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I'm thinking about getting a synth but I have no clue what to get. I just want to play music similar to HEALTH and Crystal Castles. Suggestions? Thanks

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You'd probably be better off with a few VST plugins and a DAW (if you don't have one already). I dunno what HEALTH use (although I'm a pretty big fan), but I'm pretty sure Crystal Castles use samples mostly. And distortion. Lots of distortion. HEALTH obviously use a lot of distortion, too, plus feedback and all of that stuff. They probably use cheap shit they got at a pawn shop, really.

But yeah, a synth isn't gonna get you too far unless you have a sequencer, and DAWs just happen to have sequencers built in.

If you insist on hardware, could I get a rough budget to see what would be appropriate to recommend? You'll still want a DAW for sequencing and recording, but I guess I could throw some names at you if I could get a budget.

Whatever you do, don't get a fucking Microkorg. Or a Microkorg XL. They're both bland as hell, but for some reason everyone seems to get them as their first synths these days. Don't do that, because they suck. I mean, soundwise, they're not bad, just really boring, but the tiny keyboard loses points from me.

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So you want a digital piano, or what?

I wouldn't recommend one of those cheapass home keyboards, as they generally suck. That's why I was asking for a definition of "keyboard."
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