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Old 08-19-2011, 08:28 PM   #1
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Antinatalism

Antinatalism is a philosophical position that asserts a negative value judgment towards birth, standing in opposition to natalism. -Wikipedia

Basically, procreation is wrong.

I've heard a few points in favor of this stance, including

1. You do not choose to be born. You are brought into this world without ever have been asked. You're possibly brought into a lifetime of pain when this could've been avoided by you not having been born at all.
2. Not procreating prevents suffering. Obviously, no people = no human suffering.
3. Having children is an entirely selfish act.

"If the act of procreation were neither the outcome of a desire nor accompanied by feelings of pleasure, but a matter to be decided on the basis of purely rational considerations, is it likely the human race would still exist? Would each of us not rather have felt so much pity for the coming generation as to prefer to spare it the burden of existence, or at least not wish to take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood?" - Schopenhauer

Here's a video explaining it as well.


Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. Making babies, morally wrong? Discuss.

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Old 08-19-2011, 08:29 PM   #2
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:30 PM   #3
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:30 PM   #4
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Oh God not again.


Dammit I forgot about that one thread. It's not the same thing, though.
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Basically, procreation is wrong.

Yeah, that's why having sex feels so shitty...
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:33 PM   #6
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WTF?! Who actually thinks that?
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:34 PM   #7
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It's interesting, but I'm not really for or against procreation?

Also, if you are of this position, having kids means that your children could choose to have kids, too. It would up the suffering a whole lot with each generation.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:37 PM   #8
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:37 PM   #9
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This is the reason no philosopher should be respected anymore.
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I don't care either way. Laying off on the babies will probably be good for the population though.
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This is the reason no philosopher should be respected anymore.


You'd have to philosophize in order to back that up.
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This is the reason no philosopher should be respected anymore.

Anymore? Schopenhauer was from the 19th century. -_-
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Emil Cioran seems to have a few antinatalist tendencies.

"There was a time when time did not yet exist... The rejection of birth is nothing but the nostalgia for this time before time."

"I long to be free — desperately free. Free as the stillborn are free."

“No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one.”
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So, Antinatalism is the scientific name for pandas?
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so basically, instead of simply living, its morally correct for there to be nothing. at least nothing that can contemplate the moral ramifications of procreation.

im not sure i get it. or that it makes sense.
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Whatever, if those people don't want to be alive, they can kill themselves. More stuff for me.
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