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Old 08-19-2011, 11:29 PM   #41
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Don't have children = don't live your own life?

Don't have children advocates annihilation of our species. What part of that do you fail fail to comprehend.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:30 PM   #42
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I heard Jackal was never a child. He was born 32.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:34 PM   #43
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Don't have children advocates annihilation of our species. What part of that do you fail fail to comprehend.


Yeah, that's one intention with antinatalism. But it doesn't follow that you would want to kill those who are already alive. Only to prevent further life from beginning. IIRC in that video I posted the guy said why not let us be the last generation to die out.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:38 PM   #44
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Yeah, that's one intention with antinatalism. But it doesn't follow that you would want to kill those who are already alive. Only to prevent further life from beginning. IIRC in that video I posted the guy said why not let us be the last generation to die out.

I have no desire to kill anybody. I'm merely pointing out that if you adhere to this philosophy and you're still alive you're a hypocrite.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:42 PM   #45
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I have no desire to kill anybody. I'm merely pointing out that if you adhere to this philosophy and you're still alive you're a hypocrite.


For the record I don't adhere to it. But I fail to see how it's hypocritical. It's not an advocation of suicide.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:45 PM   #46
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For the record I don't adhere to it. But I fail to see how it's hypocritical. It's not an advocation of suicide.

Yes it is.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:53 PM   #47
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Yes it is.


Does not compute.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:05 AM   #48
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Assuming birth is automatically negative is stupid, not that we couldn't use a little restraint in adding another billion humans on this planet though. It'd be nice if we stopped breeding for awhile.
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I have no desire to kill anybody. I'm merely pointing out that if you adhere to this philosophy and you're still alive you're a hypocrite.

I think technically it is calling for just not making any more humans, not ending those already here. It doesn't seem far off that though.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:07 AM   #49
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Bill Hicks basically believed this. Or claimed to.


No, Bill Hicks just hated everybody.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:27 AM   #50
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Lol @ humans always over-thinking.

The only thing every organism can do is make more of itself. It doesn't really matter that this exists though, we could use a hit on population growth. In the end we'll run out of resources or the sun will swallow us or Jesus will come from the sky killing on the non-believers. But hey! Hopefully I'll be dead and my future offspring will have to.... .

Thanks for making me feel like an asshole.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:57 AM   #51
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Just because this guy is depressed because his life sucks doesn't everyone feels like that. I for one, actually like being alive. Guess I wouldn't make a philosopher. ****ing ******
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:21 AM   #52
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I agree with not having children.

I don't trust what humanity has become, and what I think it will become in the future, therefore I wish to put a dead end to my reproduction - that doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite for enjoying the life that was instilled in me by my parents who obviously didn't hold the same views when they had me.

There's no point in suicide, it isn't about quickly getting off the face of the planet, but I'm a fairly convinced advocate of the 'Let the Earth fall silent behind you' movement.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:37 AM   #53
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I agree to the extent that if no-one was born, there wouldn't be any stupid cunts left to think this sort of inane bullshit up.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:05 AM   #54
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Yes it is.


I agree with Jackal. The only reason you'd have for advocating such a philosophy is if you believed that human life was a bad thing given that the purpose of not creating any more human life is to bring on human extinction. If you believe human life is a bad thing and you're still alive then you're a hypocrite.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:17 AM   #55
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I agree.

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If you adhere to this philosophy kill yourself. Or else live with the hypocrisy.

I agree. Unfortunately rationally believing you should die does not make it much easier to do so.

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Don't have children = don't live your own life?

Because the idea is sort of that non-existence is preferable to existence if we're talking about minimising suffering, so you should include yourself in that. You would be better off for not existing, so why not bring that on a little sooner?


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Just because this guy is depressed because his life sucks doesn't everyone feels like that. I for one, actually like being alive. Guess I wouldn't make a philosopher. ****ing ******

Regardless of how many pleasures you get in life though, there will always be struggles or displeasures. Pleasures don't cancel out displeasures, they just pile on top.
Life is sort of just a constant struggle to live, so why not not live and cut the struggle out? You won't notice not having been born as... well you'll never have existed.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:18 AM   #56
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I agree that having children is an entirely selfish act. I don't know if I agree with this though, as you have to let other people be stupid and selfish, it's up to them to choose how to live their life.
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I agree that having children is an entirely selfish act. I don't know if I agree with this though, as you have to let other people be stupid and selfish, it's up to them to choose how to live their life.


At this point in our evolution the decision is almost always motivated by selfish reasons but you're not implying it's inherently selfish are you?
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I agree that having children is an entirely selfish act. I don't know if I agree with this though, as you have to let other people be stupid and selfish, it's up to them to choose how to live their life.

But if you're saying their free choice is what's important, you've already bypassed that actually creating them. They made no choice in that. Any other choices they make afterwards is just dealing with what you decided for them: ie existing.
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I have no desire to kill anybody. I'm merely pointing out that if you adhere to this philosophy and you're still alive you're a hypocrite.

Nope, lol.

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I agree with Jackal. The only reason you'd have for advocating such a philosophy is if you believed that human life was a bad thing given that the purpose of not creating any more human life is to bring on human extinction. If you believe human life is a bad thing and you're still alive then you're a hypocrite.

Human life is a terrible thing. In becoming evolutionarily (is that a word?) perfect, we've hit an evolutionary dead end and we're ultimately destined to destroy both our own species and most of the other life on the planet. It doesn't mean I want to kill myself, and it doesn't mean I want to go hitler on everbody's arses.

For the record, I don't agree with antinatalism. It's pretty clear to me that not wanting babies and wanting to kill yourself and every other person in the world are not the same thing. I dont understand how any rational person could possibly think so.
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WTF?! Who actually thinks that?

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