Ur all $h1t

You are confusing proximate and ultimate causes here. It's like saying that world war two was caused by Hitler, technically correct but only in a shallow sense, and entirely useless in actually understanding anything or learning anything.


If you want to get a handle on how the current crisis came about in ultimate terms I'd suggest starting with this book, if you haven't read it already:
http://www.amazon.com/Freefall-Amer...y/dp/0393075966

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due 07

You took that sentence out of context when I specifically stated in that sentence to keep things in context. These protests obviously aren't calling for a political revolution, that's not what I meant.

JimmyBanks6

hmm that does look interesting, nope havent read it, but ill try to get my hands on it.

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ErikLensherr

If you're going to the library anyway:

http://www.amazon.com/I-U-Why-Every...18029695&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Fools-Gold-Co...18029683&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-S...69&sr=8-1-spell

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due 07

There is a point. In the broadest terms, it's to end "corporate greed." I don't know why you don't think there's a point. Have you seen any pictures of the protests?

That's not what I meant at all. It's not that you "disagree with my view." It's that you seem hellbent on referring to peaceful protests as "riots" -- presumably to make them sound less credible/more wild -- which only makes you sound like you don't know what is going on with #Occupy at all.

To be honest, I'm wondering if we're even talking about the same thing here. You seem to be spouting off random strings of words that don't apply to #Occupy at all.

Ur all $h1t

Hashtags outside twitter make me want to #MurderEveryone.

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"Why should we subsidise intellectual curiosity?"
-Ronald Reagan

"Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."
-George Washington

due 07

It's what the #NewsSites do for this whole fiasco.

behind_you

1- I posted pics of the 'protests' for all to see and judge
2- There's nothing jimmybanks can do to make the 'protests' seem less credible since they are not credible at all (no unified goal)
3- You're not using Twitter, cut the hashtag crap

Ahteh

ITT (And the other thread): Cynicism and bitterness.

And hipster hate.

WaterGod

How many of these threads do we need to start?

JimmyBanks6

They have no unified goal and no demands that make follow in their idea to stop "corporate greed"

They want to stop corporate greed, and i want to stop unsustainable energy use, but hey, i dont have a way to complete that either, and protesting about oil isnt going to fix anything without a real solution to switch to.

Its honestly a waste of time and resources, they arent going to fix anything, and wallstreet is just laughing at them. Its a good idea executed poorly and therefore a waste of time. Give me a real way to change the issues that is plausible, and maybe i will take them seriously.

what im trying to say worded poorly is: without a plausible solution, you cant change.

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High&Mighty

Searchbar man, 2 other threads on this at least.

...so debate in one of those threads guise.

Ur all $h1t

There is a quite clear unified goal actually, and that is the removal of Corporatism from government. That kind of a problem is incredibly pervasive and disparate, it is unsurprising that responses to it would therefore be broad and diverse.

There are many ways to skin a cat, but the aim of all of those ways is ultimately to have a skinless cat.

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Cianyx

No unified goals? For an ad hoc protest, they seem to have some pretty clear goals and demands there.

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ErikLensherr

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propo...-editadd-so-th/

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vicarious46

Yeah I'm not even close to well off too(not saying poor because there's people who probably have it waaaaay worse then I), not gonna really go into detail because thats personal, but I'm taking SOME goddamn responsibility for my financial status.

Obviously it wasn't my choice/I had no say on being born into a country during a period of financial crisis, not be well off, etc etc.
But what is my choice/responsibility is taking advantage of what I can to better my situation. If i don't have shit for money, have a bad paying job and no education I'm gonna change that. That's why I'm going to a tech institute so when I'm out of college I can decide my own situation.

What I've seen about a lot of supporters(atleast in the Boston area) in the organization is that it's 18-24 year old kids who don't have careers paths, don't go to college and grew up in an age where there parents handed them everything on a silver platter. And now Instead of taking responsibility for their current situation and making the best of it though a lot of them expect the gov't to give them handouts instead of them going out and making careers of themselves.
And then what really bugs me is when they think the gov't is 'opressing' them, persecuting them, etc.

I'm well aware the gov't needs to change its policies and the people who are in charge of the economy here need to do something and do it quick to create jobs but this movement I just can't side with.

YES corporate greed needs to end and
YES politicians need to create policies that create jobs. But a lot of this movement is completely irrelevant to this notion.

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JimmyBanks6

if you had read through the other thread you would realize i have read and commented on those, actually defending their use of youtube as a source at one point...

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ErikLensherr

So you agree those are plausible solutions?

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due 07

1. How likely to you think it is that maybe the media (read: corporations) picked the most outrageous people to make the protests seem like a joke, or even circus?
2. If you look at, for example, the unions marching in solidarity, you sound awfully silly claiming there's no credibility because there's no "unified goal." (What does that even mean? Because there is a unified goal. I've already covered that.)

You guys keep on using the same rhetoric. There's definitely a unified goal, however broad or general it may be.

And you keep on changing moving your position on the matter. First they're "lazy hipsters who just want to riot," and now they're poorly executing a "good idea." Make up your mind.