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 Way to Necro bumb and then show you "knowledge" of amps. So all there is is a ss PI huh? I think your missing all the clipping dioides in the signal path that are helping create the distortion.
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01-15-2013, 11:52 AM
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just trying to put a review out there, 3 months ago when i purchased the amp i couldn't find any.... anyone interested in this amp will/should find the post semi-valuable...
lol 'way to necro bomb and show my knowledge of amps' have you got anything beneficial for anyone looking to purchase this amp to absorb? or are you just one of those internet toads that think they have the final say on other peoples opinions? like i said, im a tone snob, im not good at anything except music, guitar and tone.... i felt that needed to be stated to justify my 'extensive' opinion, lol, so what?? i put a question mark at the end of these questions.. but their only value is in the rhetorical sense, im not one bit interested in your answer... i didn't say there weren't any diodes in the clipping stage, its impossible to get schematics unless your an authorised blackstar repair centre/technician, so nor you or I actually know the truth, i was just speculating. its like the rumors went round of the jcm2000's having diode clipping, thats just as valid as the blackstar rumors, but i forget, you got the blackstar schematics right?? if the sound is excellent and what I/you want, who cares?? wait.... your being a toad cause i said im prob gonna get rid of the marshall right? lol... (que your next, totally unrelated, unbeneficial point of view) Last edited by sleepingz : 01-15-2013 at 11:55 AM. |
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01-15-2013, 12:24 PM
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someone reverse engineered the ht5, though.
and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but so is he. A negative review or opinion isn't necessarily any more or less biased (or more or less useful) than a positive one.
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01-15-2013, 01:03 PM
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yeah the ht-5 does (still like the sound, not as much as the ht-50) it only has one pre-amp tube, to get the distortion it gets it either has to use diode clipping, manipulate pre-amp tube plate voltage, e.t.c. and it has one output tube.
the ht-50 has 2 output tubes (typical) and 2 pre-amp tubes (not typical for a 2 channel tube amplifier). it'd be cool if someone reverse engineered that... your totally right about opinions, i just trying to be beneficial to someone else seeking info about this amp, its cool for anyone to have any kind of opinion, but he was questioning mine, i didn't see the need for that... |
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01-15-2013, 02:52 PM
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I haven't played the 50, but I did own the 40 for a while. I really liked the cleans, but I found unless I really opened it up, the gain seemed muddy and lifeless. I couldn't use it at lower volumes so I had to compensate with the HT-DistX. This is basically why I upgraded to the 5150 III. Solid amps though, and I love the hell out of my HT-5.
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01-15-2013, 03:58 PM
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i'm just going on the basis that two tubes is too few for what's going on in the amp, and the amount of preamp gain it contains, for there not to be some solid state stuff going on, too (and also considering what the ht5 is).  it may be a bit more tube than the ht5, but it's not a stretch to presume it's similarly hybrid, either.
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01-15-2013, 08:41 PM
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definately not a strech to think that i agree, just tryin to say it sounds good to me.
iv heard a couple of good things about thier pedals too, those ht-5's and the 1 watt version are great for bedroom amps... lol the 50 is a little louder ;-) i do apologize if my post was long, sounded douchey, whatever, just tryin to get to people that are interested that all rock the **** on guys, whatever you play thru! |
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01-15-2013, 09:16 PM
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I have to disagree on this one. All reviews are biased and pretty much worthless. Go to the music store / pawn shop and try them yourself with one of your axes. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches in the long run... My axes are all setup the way I like them. someone said adjust the guitar to the amp what rubbish. Then again what do I know I use a Vox valvetronix amp. I wanted a modeling amp on account of playing a lot of styles. I needed something that could do what without spending hundreds or thousands on stomp boxes. For what it's worth Jet City amps sound great. I've thought about getting one more than once. Just haven't had the funds for new gear...
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01-16-2013, 07:57 AM
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depends... everyone is biased, but some people are more biased than others, and some people are more knowledgeable than others. I agree that, to a certain extent, there's no substitute for trying the thing yourself. But if you can't, reading reviews written by sensible, reasonably objective, and reasonably knowledgeable people are far better than nothing.
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01-16-2013, 09:05 AM
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The HT series all sound the same to my ears. The same preamp through varying sizes of poweramp and speaker combos. A good "Lead sound in a box" which is why the 1 and 5 watt amps are so good. They don't really respond like a real tube amp though. The drive is very compressed and quite artificial sounding, and you can't dial it out. Fine for messing around and practicing, but not when you want to be completely happy with your tone at proper volumes.
I have the 1 watt and find it great for home use, but it's not in the same league as a 'proper' valve amp, and that's nothing to do with the wattage of it.
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01-16-2013, 02:39 PM
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adjust the guitar to make it sound better is rubbish??
you can adjust different parts of hardware on your guitar that can make different amplifier setups sound better, thats a fact. they wouldn't make things adjustable if they didn't alter the playability or sound of a guitar. im not saying these little things can make a crap modeling amp sound good, but they help when you know what to do, try altering your pickup height one day, action, these things have an effect. ht50 and ht 100 have a different pre-amp to the 1 and 5 watters, this ht 50 does react like a valve amp. 1 and 5 wattage its gonna be compressed, no headroom, hard to get a loud clean tone, the studio i work at has the 5 watt in the lounge, i do like it tho. an example of a traditional tube/valve (i.e. most marshall jcm's) amp tube setup, 2 or 4 output tubes, 3 pre-amp tubes, 1 of them is a phase inverter that takes care of feeding the output tubes the other two actually handle the pre-amp signal. i speculated that the phase inverter is solid state in this amp, despite other tube amps using this method the phase inverter does have a big effect on the tone. Last edited by sleepingz : 01-16-2013 at 03:10 PM. |
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01-16-2013, 07:13 PM
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No not a troll just listing the facts. I never said that they sounded bad, but I do think they sound pretty bad.  I was just calling out the fact you didn't know it was a hybrid amp, and refer to it as an all tube amp. I know many people who like the HT series, but I personaly think you can get a much better amp for less money .My JCM 2000 is a solid tube circut, your ht50 has ss cliping diodes that is fact not rumor  I could give a shit wether you keep or sell anything
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01-16-2013, 07:15 PM
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stop posting in this thread, it's against the rules to necro stuff
robbgnarly is far from an internet toad as far as I'm aware, he is well respected on the forum and has a good knowledge of amps stop being a dick there is also no sense in arguing about blackstars anymore either. they sound acceptable, and if their marketing policys put your off (like with me) then so be it. almost every time I see the word blackstar people start a shitstorm. |
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01-17-2013, 07:52 AM
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+1 just because someone disagrees with you doesn't automatically mean they're a troll, lol.
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01-17-2013, 03:04 PM
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i didn't ever say thier signal path is all tube, i just speculated. just face it, you don't 100% know that it has clipping diodes, and not a big deal if does. i love loading the front end of a jcm800 with a good overdrive pedal, its prob my fav tone.sorry if you think im being a dick, well im not that sorry, but you insulted my knowledge for something i didn't say. just stickin up for myself, necro posting or whatever, get over it...
at least one person will search google for blackstar ht50 review and this come up first like i did, read my review, and get some information from it, thats all i wanted, and what these forums are about, gettin info... once again, i called him a toad for insulting my knowledge, based on somethin i didn't say... |
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01-17-2013, 06:21 PM
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i know that there's a far better than evens chance it has SS stuff going on in its signal path, based on blackstar's past form and the number of preamp tubes it has for the amount of preamp gain it has. i love hitting tube amps with ods too, but that's not just what's going on with the blackstar HT series, and also i can turn an od off and pick and choose the most suitable one for what i want.
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the clipping diodes aren't even the main problem.
there are like 10 op amp stages before the first tube stage.
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01-17-2013, 06:30 PM
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agreed. or the ss phase inverter.
all these BS threads go the same way. first there's denial "It's all-tube!" "why would a company lie?" "It sounds like a tube amp!" then sorta trying to weasel out of it "it may not be all tube but you don't know for sure!" "Blackstar pinky swears none of the SS stuff is involved in the distortion!" then there's the qualfied acceptance "well, ok, maybe there's some ss clipping but that's just the same as hitting a tube amp with an overdrive pedal, right? RIGHT?" there doesn't seem to be a stage after that
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01-17-2013, 06:44 PM
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But thats the thing I do know for 100% it has clipping diodes that is enough to keep me away from it as much as a JCM 900 DR (The blackstar guys designed that also
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