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Old 12-15-2011, 05:06 PM   #1
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:07 PM   #2
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:09 PM   #3
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can i get all my random questions answered in here? i have lots but i hate making a new thread every time i have a question
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sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:58 PM   #7
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sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?


Yes it is possible to have too much, just start by treat the point of first reflection on the walls and ceiling then bass trap all the corners and see how that sounds!
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sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?

I'm sure it's possible in the realm of professional studios who have people they're hiring to do the treatment for them, but it's going to be more difficult (if you're doing it correctly) to overdo it in your home.

Some people tend to think a room that's super "dead" sounding is "too much," while others may prefer it. It's really up to you to decide, but in a small room with more than just a mixing desk and some seating, it's impossible to treat the lowend as well as they could in a professional studio, built with the purpose in mind.

My first reaction to your statement of your mixes translating very poorly would be: "What are you mixing on (ie: Monitors? Headphones? What brand? What model?)?"

If you're using improper gear to monitor your mixes, that could certain be one problem. You inexperience in learning your monitor device is the second. Treatment sure does help a lot, but even with it, you need to have the experience with your gear to produce good results.

Do you have an example of one of your mixes?

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The thing of it is, absolutely no one will listen to any of your mixes in a completely dead room. So why would you mix in that environment?
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The thing of it is, absolutely no one will listen to any of your mixes in a completely dead room. So why would you mix in that environment?



True enough. But even then, you're going to have to tear down walls and flooring to even get a room to that point.

Assuming he means just hanging rigid fiberglass on the walls and bass traps in the corners, there's little to no probability that his room is going to be completely dead.
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True enough. But even then, you're going to have to tear down walls and flooring to even get a room to that point.

Assuming he means just hanging rigid fiberglass on the walls and bass traps in the corners, there's little to no probability that his room is going to be completely dead.


What you need is one of these, perfect mixes every time then!

http://blog.thenorik.com/wp-content...ech-424x292.jpg
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What you need is one of these, perfect mixes every time then!

http://blog.thenorik.com/wp-content...ech-424x292.jpg

Holy ****.

That looks intense!
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:46 PM   #13
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@ matrixclaw - cold air and expidu on my profile were mixed on my rig, i have a set of mackies and a krk sub. the sub sits under my desk and i usually put my foot on it to feel the bass. the thing is they're kinda "ok-ish" mixes but i put way too much effort into them to get ok mixes y'know? i basically ended up testing the mixes on a couple sets of speakers (nice livingroom stereo and several car stereos in addition to 2 sets of headphones i use when recording) and used reference notes from those speakers to adjust different eq properties, i honestly know that my room needs more treatment but i'm kinda torn on how much i should use and i know that super super flat / dead enviroments don't make for great translations either.

and yes, basically i used an auralux room treatment kit (the roominator) and a bunch of lenrd bass traps in the corner (they're not stacked up to the ceiling arc but they need to be)

basically i think i need another roominator kit and more bass traps. i can look at the room and see where frequencies most likely build up and you can hear a drastic eq sweep as you walk around the room while a song is playing. i understand the sound is going to be different in relation to you and the speakers but i mean its any where from so sub heavy its hard to hear the highs to sounding "perfect".... but it's not which is why im here

and yes, if i could make one of those in my house i would in a heartbeat, but i have a feeling i'd have to pull off a oceans 13 style heist to fund its construction.
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and yes, basically i used an auralux room treatment kit (the roominator) and a bunch of lenrd bass traps in the corner (they're not stacked up to the ceiling arc but they need to be)


There are two approaches: use your ears and do it a little at a time, listen each time you put more up to see what effects the new treatment is having.

OR go scientific and get a hold of a measurement mic, then there a bunch of programs that will run sine sweeps through your monitor and record and analyze the results, then you can target specific problem areas with additional treatment to even out the spectrum analysis.
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I actually have a measurement mic (i bought a arc system measurement kit) but i couldn't get it to run on a previous windows install, i recently reinstalled a different version of windows on a different hardware configuration and have been meaning to see if it will run on my new hardware. i really want to get my room close to balanced before doing that as it does have corrective eq'ing but i'd much rather have to use as little of that as possibe.

edit : i get what you mean, use the mic to determine reflective areas and treat those, gotcha.
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I actually have a measurement mic (i bought a arc system measurement kit) but i couldn't get it to run on a previous windows install, i recently reinstalled a different version of windows on a different hardware configuration and have been meaning to see if it will run on my new hardware. i really want to get my room close to balanced before doing that as it does have corrective eq'ing but i'd much rather have to use as little of that as possibe.


Just use the microphone from the arc kit with a program like: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/

Then at least you have an idea of what your room is like!
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so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?
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so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?


So it would seem!

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so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?

Thanks Brett you too

Sure, except we're cooler, obviously. *Looks around suspiciously since he's a mod in GG&A too*



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P.P.S Packing up all the epic recording gear I've had the past few weeks to ship to Russia. Sad day
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I've got a question for you guys, then. I'm trying to cover Mr. Big's Addicted to That Rush, for the Pit's Calling All Musicians V6.0, where the deadline is December 25 to learn a new song. Anyway, my plan is only to do the guitar part, if I can get my hands on a bass (which probably won't happen), I may try to record that as well. Until then, I'm relying on MIDI, specifically from GP files. I've exported the MIDI, and then imported it into Sonar. It all came through fine, except that the bass is WAY too loud. I can adjust the volume for the drums to accommodate my somewhat low guitar volume (compared to the MIDI volume, which is very loud), and the guitar part as well (even though I won't be using it). When I try to change the bass volume, nothing happens, even on zero. I can still mute the track, but I need it, and it's way too loud. Does anybody know what's wrong, how to fix it, things like that? Any help would be appreciated.

Tl:dr Imported MIDI bass is too loud, and I can't adjust the volume for it.
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