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Old 02-11-2013, 04:06 AM   #4001
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except double because ancient hebrew is more than twice as old

Precisely
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If someone knew how to speak old English I'd immediately endorse them and we'd go around the country earning huge fame in academic circles for being the only people that could do so.


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Fęder ure žu že eart on heofonum
Si žin nama gehalgod
to becume žin rice
gewurže šin willa
on eoršan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedęghwamlican hlaf syle us todęg
and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfaš urum gyltendum
and ne gelęd žu us on costnunge
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:16 PM   #4002
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as he is the son of god


A lot of Christians would disagree with you.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:47 PM   #4003
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Do you know when the belief of the trinity was introduced?

hm... I'm guessing on a tuesday, seems like a tuesday kinda thing
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:50 PM   #4004
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Do you know when the belief of the trinity was introduced?


I don't care, the manner of ordering people use for the fairies in their garden doesn't concern me.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:01 PM   #4005
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It was introduced in the 1100's by the Catholic Church.

And the trinity makes no sense really I mean think about it: god came to earth and put himself in Mary then he preached for himself and prayed to himself and then he killed himself, that is what the trinity teaches and if you actually think about it for more than the attention span of a goldfish it makes hardly any sense

This could be applied long before you get to the Trinity
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:04 PM   #4006
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It was introduced in the 1100's by the Catholic Church.

And the trinity makes no sense really I mean think about it: god came to earth and put himself in Mary then he preached for himself and prayed to himself and then he killed himself, that is what the trinity teaches and if you actually think about it for more than the attention span of a goldfish it makes hardly any sense


I put the part that makes the least sense in bold.

If you're willing to say that god exists then saying he became human and had himself killed to solve a problem of sin by a loophole of his own making is no big leap. Hell, give him wings made of radio waves and a hat made of sentient cauliflower while you're at it; if you're going to have imaginary friends at least make them interesting.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:06 PM   #4007
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It was introduced in the 1100's by the Catholic Church.

And the trinity makes no sense really I mean think about it: god came to earth and put himself in Mary then he preached for himself and prayed to himself and then he killed himself, that is what the trinity teaches and if you actually think about it for more than the attention span of a goldfish it makes hardly any sense

but was it on a tuesday
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:24 PM   #4008
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Why do you keep saying it was Tuesday? Are you trolling? If so you did not read the rules.

It's called answering non sequiters with more of them
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:27 PM   #4009
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:29 PM   #4010
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well a person isn't really a non sequiter, but rather the things you said. For instance, you asked if we knew when the idea of the trinity came about in response to the statement that not all christians are cool with the trinity. that's like me asking about your ice skating skills when you fact-check my homophones.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:32 AM   #4011
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:32 AM   #4012
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Also the reason we are still Christians because in order to be Christian you have to believe in Christ right? Well, we believe in Christ as gods son.

If you don't believe in redemption through Christ I'm not sure you're a Christian in any meaningful sense
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:41 AM   #4013
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We do believe that Christ came to earth and died for our sins on a torture stake if by redemption you mean for our sins.

Sorry I haven't really read back so I'm not sure who 'we' are. But I wonder how you believe in redemption through Jesus if he's not God.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:18 AM   #4014
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He was sent as a redeemer by god to die for our sins because god figured if one perfect man(Adam) in the garden of Eden could screw things up then one perfect man(Jesus) could fix it or redeem us.

This is the most mangled logic I've had the displeasure of seeing.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:21 AM   #4015
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except double because ancient hebrew is more than twice as old


False. Ancient hebrew is much closer to modern hebrew than medieval english is to modern english. The main difference is the addition of slang, which modern hebrew is rife with. But the two languages are VERY close.

It would be more comparable to say Aramaic:modern hebrew=medieval english:modern english. It's actually fairly interesting to note that the Old Testament (which was written in ancient hebrew, not aramaic) came way before the advent of the Gemara, which is written exclusively in Aramaic, except where it quotes the Mishnah (which also came before the Gemara, and was written in hebrew), when Aramaic is a far more ancient language (if I am not wrong, though I'm sure slacker's timeline is far more accurate than mine).

Slacker, correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, the Old Testament came out ~1200BC, while the Mishnah came around 200AD and the Talmud came around 4-600AD.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:30 AM   #4016
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Ok let me make sense, one perfect man totally screwed mankind over that is why are not perfect so we still have inherited sin but because Jesus, a perfect man died for another perfect mans mistake so that we may be forgiven by god because of inherited sin.

So if jesus died for my sins why do I need to be forgiven again? Does jesus's death only cover half the bill? Is God a cheapskate?
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:30 AM   #4017
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He was sent as a redeemer by god to die for our sins because god figured if one perfect man(Adam) in the garden of Eden could screw things up then one perfect man(Jesus) could fix it or redeem us.

adam wasn't perfect, he was missing a rib symbolically showing he's a failure and a cheater and never deserved eve
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False. Ancient hebrew is much closer to modern hebrew than medieval english is to modern english. The main difference is the addition of slang, which modern hebrew is rife with. But the two languages are VERY close.

that's just not possible. most people couldn't read then.
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No he was missing a rib because god used it to make eve and yes he was perfect until they ate from the tree of good and bad which was put there as a loyalty test because they had all those other trees to eat from but they were not content with that.


So if he was perfect in the first place, why did he disobey God?
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So if he was perfect in the first place, why did he disobey God?

Because perfect doesn't exist. Because Lucifer was an angel before he betrayed God, arguably more perfect even than first man.

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