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Old 01-14-2012, 05:57 PM   #21
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Again that's probably an issue with the EMG pick ups on my Fender Jim Root. I've heard that amp sims don't get on too well with EMG's. I'm back at Uni now so if I re-record the song it'll be with some lower quality passive instruments.

Any know if other interfaces that aren't the UX1 deal with active electronics a little better?
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:58 PM   #22
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Again that's probably an issue with the EMG pick ups on my Fender Jim Root. I've heard that amp sims don't get on too well with EMG's. I'm back at Uni now so if I re-record the song it'll be with some lower quality passive instruments.

Any know if other interfaces that aren't the UX1 deal with active electronics a little better?


UX2 (with PAD input) and Lambda Lexicon deal with actives just fine. As for the UX1 price range everything down there is limited in some way.
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Well if I'm gonna buy a new one I don't mind paying more.
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Well if I'm gonna buy a new one I don't mind paying more.

Talk to one of the Saffire 6 guys I think its the only "low budget" recording interface that is really great, but I have no idea about how it works on actives.
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Talk to one of the Saffire 6 guys I think its the only "low budget" recording interface that is really great, but I have no idea about how it works on actives.


Well it claims to have "Two Hi-Z instrument inputs with -10dB pads" and it's only 50 more than the price I paid for my UX1, might be a good investment.
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I had the lamda lexicon and it doesnt hold a candle to my new fast track c400. has a pad button on it and finally i can get clean signals with both my active emgs in my bass as well as the emgs in my guitars.
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Hi!

I would greatly appreciate any helpful critique of my recording. Thanks

Your mix isn't exactly bass heavy, more than it's missing a lot of high end/high mid bite from the guitars, which makes everything sound very muffled.

You've got some cool ideas, and the lead tone/clean tone work well, but I'm not sure what happened to the rhythm, it sounds like it's low passed super low, there's no cut to it. I really can't tell if there's bass or not (I don't think there is?), because the rhythm is in such a low frequency, that it could easily cover up the bass if it's set too low in the mix.

The drums, specifically the snare and kick, are much too low in the mix. They're audible, but too far back into the mix, that if you're not listening for them, you probably wouldn't realize they're there most of the time.

This could be a really cool song, once you've properly adjusted the mix. Definitely interested in hearing more of it as it progresses!
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Thank you! Greatly appreciated

Haha, there is actually a bass buried in there somewhere But yeah, the rythm guitar and bass double troughout the whole song, so it is kind of hard to tell!

What frequencies do you reccomend I cut/boost on guitar and bass (mainly rythm)?

Thank you for taking the time!

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Everything is played in standard tuning, so if you think you hear a 7 or 8 string guitar, it is the bass.
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Yeah man your mids/high mids are a bit high.I am not sure exactly what yo did on the EQ as I have never really heard anything to it. I feel like the only crispness is the high hat. It sits there just taking up almost all your presence until the lead comes in. I am not exactly sure what to tell since its an odd sound except add some high and presence into your guitar. The rythem sounds like just noise almost cause its so bassy. I almost wonder if the opposite of what you have on the EQ of guitar would sound like, it may be easier to work with your rythem that way.

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No to be a crit me *****, but I am stumped on these ****ing drums. I think I made my toms to low now. I feel like I made my toms invade my kick frequencies, bass freq, and plam mute (in the one section), and now I have mud. I have never had this problem before. Is the old way better than the new? I am debating maybe just go back to my old EQing and just pan stuff out a little better I just originally thought my toms didn't have enough low end thud, but now I am way to low mid, bass, and sub heavy it feels. Thanks for any help I'll try not to post my own song again so soon >.< I've just never had a problem like this in a long time. I think I am just over processing the drums.

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So people know, I'm the guy whos mix lacks bass.

So if I do a bassline (pitch shifting + amp sims) should the bassline follow the guitar or can/should it be different?

And as I know a sheeps dick about bass I honestly have no idea where the get the amp sims from. I guess I'd need an amp sim for a part where there is clean guitar, and another to where you got heavily distorted guitar. I checked the vid someone linked and I understood that Reaper can do my pitch shifting. So what sims and where?

Thank you all very much for the input, it's been really helpful
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Free ones are annoyingly lacking compared to guitar amps, good free ones even rarer. The best I've ever used is probably the one that it's that video the Ampeg SVX which is made by the same company who make Amplitube.
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Free ones are annoyingly lacking compared to guitar amps, good free ones even rarer. The best I've ever used is probably the one that it's that video the Ampeg SVX which is made by the same company who make Amplitube.

TSE BOD is great. I use the sane technique as Adam does in his metalcore mix thread and it turns out better than using any paid amp sim I own.
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It's good to use on actual bass, but with the pitch shifted guitar method the amp sim seems quite important to cut out the boxiness. Though you could probably just use BOD with a good bass cab sim, like RedWirez SVT series.
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1. I tried, but couldn't find the VSTs you 2 were talking about. Any links would be awesome

2. I downloaded an Ampeg bass amp VST, but I don't know how to apply it to one of the tracks in Reaper?!? help!

3. If you want to save you're ears, it would be nice if someone pointed out a good (free) sample of a china/trashy crash (or just a clip so I know what to look for), to replace the horrific china I have going atm


I've done some progress on my track. Haven't uploaded a newer version yet, but I've quad tracked all of the distorted riffs (exept the ones that go with the clean riff), so that 2 of the tracks are panned something like 68 right and 68 left and with less volume and a bit different EQ + a tad of reverb. I also double tracked the cleans with more delay + reverb.

I've also added a bass track. The thing is, as a guitarist I have no clue what a good bass player would be playing Also, it sounds quite horrible, because it's a guitar amp sim It still adds a little low end to the mix.

So help on those 3 points would be great I'm learning all the time
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1. I tried, but couldn't find the VSTs you 2 were talking about. Any links would be awesome

You must not've looked very hard...

Googling "TSE BOD" gives you a crapload of hits, with the second and third link having the download for it...

http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/website/software.htm
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I was just trying to look around here in UG I'm sorry for my stupidity.

I downloaded the TSE BOD, but I'm encountering the same problem as with my Ampeg plugin. I don't know how to apply it to the tracks in Reaper. It seems like Reaper can't find it (looking at the plugin list)!
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I downloaded the TSE BOD, but I'm encountering the same problem as with my Ampeg plugin. I don't know how to apply it to the tracks in Reaper. It seems like Reaper can't find it (looking at the plugin list)!

Did you put the .dll file in your plugins folder for Reaper (or the default Steinberg/VSTPlugin folder that some plugins install to your C drive)? Make sure that Reaper is pointing to the folder you have your plugins installed in in its preferences.
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Ahhh, I just needed to restart Reaper now I got the TSE to work, but the ampeg one still sucks. Oh well I guess I'll go without it
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2. I downloaded an Ampeg bass amp VST, but I don't know how to apply it to one of the tracks in Reaper?!? help!

3. If you want to save you're ears, it would be nice if someone pointed out a good (free) sample of a china/trashy crash (or just a clip so I know what to look for), to replace the horrific china I have going atm

Just quoted my post above. I'd be very grateful for advice concerning these points

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That's the latest version of it! As you can hear, I've redone the guitars, EQd some drums, arranged it a little differently and added some extra shit

Feedback is appreciated!
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