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Old 02-05-2012, 04:01 PM   #41
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All I have to say is that all your pretty ideals and theories break down when you realize that science can't progress under anarchism.

Go ahead, argue that science and mathematics would progress without a structured society. I would love to hear a theory on how a society without structure would be able to do research on matters of subatomic physics. How would a structureless society learn the secrets of medicine or the other natural philosophies? How would mathematics progress without a dedicated system of education? How many of you have ever looked at a Laplace transform and thought "damn I know I don't have to know this but I sure would like to explore the majestic world of differential equations!"

anarchism ≠ structurelessness
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #42
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Holy shit, haven't been on these forums in about 6 or so years. Anyway, this thread did better than I thought it would. Some people are way off on what anarchism stands for.

Noam Chomsky describes anarchism as a societal negative to which all positions of authority must justify themselves unto. That is to say, any claim that arbitrary hierarchical structures in society must exist has the burden of proof, it's much like telling an atheist to prove that God doesn't exist.


Anarchism is of course, not chaos, and shopping at Wal-mart does not make anyone less of an anarchist because when you identify as an anarchist it's from a personal philosophical stand point. But when you partake in a horizontal organization like say Occupy Wall Street-- that is political anarchism in praxis. Sort of like a co-op is socialism in praxis.


By that logic though it would seem to me that even free market capitalist cannot identify as such when they shop at Wal-mart, because Wal-mart is of course a government subsidized company that partakes in writing legislation through organizations like ALEC. Also LLC and incorporation is a privilege only a government can afford to uphold.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:08 PM   #43
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well, **** Wal-Mart.

how's the Occupy Movement doing anyway? haven't checked up on it in a while.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:23 PM   #44
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Anarchism is of course, not chaos, and shopping at Wal-mart does not make anyone less of an anarchist because when you identify as an anarchist it's from a personal philosophical stand point. But when you partake in a horizontal organization like say Occupy Wall Street-- that is political anarchism in praxis. Sort of like a co-op is socialism in praxis.


By that logic though it would seem to me that even free market capitalist cannot identify as such when they shop at Wal-mart, because Wal-mart is of course a government subsidized company that partakes in writing legislation through organizations like ALEC. Also LLC and incorporation is a privilege only a government can afford to uphold.

+lots

It's like, anarchism is all fuck capitalism and the state and shit, so it's not like shopping at Wal-Mart is undermining those beliefs... at all. No reasonable person would think, "Oh let's boycott Wal-Mart, THAT'LL tear the system down!" All that fair trade business is more of a liberal thing than a radical-or-whatever thing anyway.

I'm not really an anarchist and I don't shop at Wal-Mart ftr, I'm just saying.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:30 PM   #45
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well, **** Wal-Mart.

how's the Occupy Movement doing anyway? haven't checked up on it in a while.


Okay I guess. Smaller, as it is no longer the flavor of the month. Right now they're mostly preventing evictions in cities, and participating in well planned protests instead of the general "let's just hang out" protests, although they are still doing that as well.

They've been behind a few of the protests at Republican candidate speeches. The whole glitter bomb thing is tied to Occupy I think.

Overall, they're still out there, just not the size they were originally.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:30 PM   #46
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i had a ******ed scheme about a year ago when i was doing too many drugs (cuz i so kool lik dat) where i was gonna steal t-shirts from wal-mart, make band shirts, and sell them to people all because i had heard some shit about them not taking legal action for stolen shit under a certain amount.

i was all like "eyeah i'm gunna fight the system and steal shit from wal-mart and make money at the same time"

^that's good to hear. i wanna go check out the protests in NY once i get some extra money (a job)

i seriously wanna ****ing murder the people who run Sallie Mae, too. those pieces of shit have me by the balls right now.

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Old 02-11-2012, 07:31 AM   #47
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Holy shit, haven't been on these forums in about 6 or so years.

...holy shit, I've been here for 6 years

...carry on.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:35 PM   #48
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Anarchists and punk rock are usually hand in hand. So is anyone here a fellow anarchist? and if so what are your beliefs for creating a better future in an anarchist society if it were to someday happen?



Looks good on paper, as does communism, but in a world without truly honest people, those systems will never work the way they were intended to.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:37 AM   #49
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oh due youve grown up so much
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I come from a fairly Conservative family, and I was naturally brought up and raised to recognized Republican, christian views. But, as almost every teenager did, I wanted to distance myself from the views of my parents. I decided to go for the more popular, younger and hipper views of the Democrats. Naturally, this led to socialism, and then Communism.

I always used to think that Communism was the answer; "Just let the government take care of everything. They know what to do and what is right." But over the years, I sadly realized that our government is basically useless. The government can barely support itself, so why crush it with the burden of the taking care of the nations poor and regulating businesses?

So, I turned to Anarchism. When the government is destroyed, we will live in true Capitalism. The rich get Richer and the poor die off. Not that I'm a heartless bastard, it is just that it before that way. No government regulations on our business and no government regulations on what we can do and what we cannot do. As society lives without the government, private organizations will take over the responsibilities of government agencies. The beauty of Anarchism is that it sets up to start a new government.

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Old 03-26-2012, 04:18 PM   #51
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I myself am a feudalist.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:38 PM   #52
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I come from a fairly Conservative family, and I was naturally brought up and raised to recognized Republican, christian views. But, as almost every teenager did, I wanted to distance myself from the views of my parents. I decided to go for the more popular, younger and hipper views of the Democrats. Naturally, this led to socialism, and then Communism.

I always used to think that Communism was the answer; "Just let the government take care of everything. They know what to do and what is right." But over the years, I sadly realized that our government is basically useless. The government can barely support itself, so why crush it with the burden of the taking care of the nations poor and regulating businesses?

So, I turned to Anarchism. When the government is destroyed, we will live in true Capitalism. The rich get Richer and the poor die off. Not that I'm a heartless bastard, it is just that it before that way. No government regulations on our business and no government regulations on what we can do and what we cannot do. As society lives without the government, private organizations will take over the responsibilities of government agencies. The beauty of Anarchism is that it sets up to start a new government.


That's not anarchism, that's practically libertarianism.

And it's an incredibly flawed philosophy.

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Old 03-26-2012, 06:05 PM   #53
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Anarcho-capitalism is, like, srsly the dumbest economic ideology I can think of (no offense).
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:48 PM   #54
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i just want to murder everyone. is that a thing?
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:22 PM   #55
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Ya bro, it's ancapism. Get rich, build a cartel, kill erryone.
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I myself am a feudalist.


Are you an old-school Richard Dawson feudalist, or a new age Louie Anderson feudalist?
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:43 PM   #58
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Ya bro, it's ancapism. Get rich, build a cartel, kill erryone.

drop the get rich and build a cartel part. i work solo.

i think they define it as "spree killing"
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:25 PM   #59
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My other favorite part of anarchism: instead of responding to criticism of anarchism people simply say you don't understand.

I can't wait until you kids wise up and become social democrats like intelligent adults.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #60
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My other favorite part of anarchism: instead of responding to criticism of anarchism people simply say you don't understand.

I can't wait until you kids wise up and become social democrats like intelligent adults.

i like your new style:
1 post every 2 months that usually makes you sound like a cranky old person.
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