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Old 02-16-2012, 01:45 AM   #61
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There's loads of theories about how the universe was created out there.
Only way to know 100% for sure what happened is to either find a way to try out every theory there is, and see what works, or go back in time and/or leave our universe and watch ours be created.
If we created one, there's also nothing to say the other theories couldn't happen as well.
If they're ALL right, which one was it?
There's only one way to truly know, and, unless we find a way outside of our universe so we can watch it, we can't be sure.
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The one other thing that's always haunted my thoughts is the beginning of the existence of the universe (or multiverse?). Existence can't have a beginning, because that would mean something needs to have been there to spark that beginning, and then where did that thing come from. But it also can't not have a beginning because everything has a beginning.

wtf, man?

I don't think we'll ever know where the matter that created our universe came from, even IF we somehow figure out how our universe was created. It exists, always has existed, and always will exist in some way, regardless of where it's at, and what form it's in.

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Old 02-16-2012, 01:46 AM   #62
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Actually, our universe was created by the ashes of another universe, it's the CCC theory (Conformal Cyclic Cosmology).. Space expanded so much that matter lost its coherence and space/time thwarted into nothing causing the collision of two massive black holes (aka Big Bang).. From the ashes of that collision our universe was born, and the same thing will happen to ours.. It'll just take billions of years...

That's the theory at least.. These things are just OMFG....


Imagine being sentient beings waiting for this to happen. Would we know it was going to happen? What exactly would this experience be? Or maybe even just the end of not the universe, but our planet?

EDIT: These questions assume that a descendant of our race survives to see either of these ends, which I realize is probably unlikely.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:46 AM   #63
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This thread reminds me of that Futurama episode where they kept travelling forward in time to find that the universe and time loops. Then they kill Hitler twice lolz.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:48 AM   #64
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This thread reminds me of that Futurama episode where they kept travelling forward in time to find that the universe and time loops. Then they kill Hitler twice lolz.

That very well could be true as well.
It could be the universe is like a pheonix, and rebirths once it dies.
Which also raises the question, how many times has it looped?
How many times have we lived our lives?

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Old 02-16-2012, 01:49 AM   #65
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:55 AM   #68
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There's loads of theories about how the universe was created out there.
Only way to know 100% for sure what happened is to either find a way to try out every theory there is, and see what works, or go back in time and/or leave our universe and watch ours be created.
If we created one, there's also nothing to say the other theories couldn't happen as well.
If they're ALL right, which one was it?
There's only one way to truly know, and, unless we find a way outside of our universe so we can watch it, we can't be sure.

I don't think we'll ever know where the matter that created our universe came from, even IF we somehow figure out how our universe was created. It exists, always has existed, and always will exist in some way, regardless of where it's at, and what form it's in.


Allow me to rephrase my thought. Assuming that there actually is multiple universes (is this an accepted fact among scientists? Or just an argued theory?) and universes are born out of universes, how could the very first universe have had or not had a beginning?
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:00 AM   #69
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Allow me to rephrase my thought. Assuming that there actually is multiple universes (is this an accepted fact among scientists? Or just an argued theory?) and universes are born out of universes, how could the very first universe have had or not had a beginning?

It's debated about, idk if it's accepted by a majority or not though.

You see the problem with that as well eh?
There's always going to be the issue of "Where'd all the stuff come from that made our universe?" Whether it's we came from a superdense cluster of matter and energy, or universes born from universes, or what have you.
The fact is, we will probably never know where it came from.
We can theorize, but at the end of the day, all they'll be are theories.
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Here's something that might twist your thoughts for a second (or more):

We know black holes are exit points out of the universe. We also know there's an entry point into this universe, and that's the Big Bang.

Are there any more entry points?

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I've heard of a theory where Universes are like spots that randomly form on a giant fabric, and that there could be any number of universes on this fabric. The spots on this fabric also move, so therefore in this theory, it's possible that universes can collide, destroying everything.

Black holes then, can be connections be connections between these universes.

Idk just a theory I saw on Natgeo.
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If it were possible we would be having visits from our future selves. You can say "well that means we haven't discovered it yet" Well if you go into the future then somebody would have, if time travel exists then that means everything has already happened and everything we are doing now, has already been done millions of times, so my hypothesis is one of two.

1. It is not possible to time travel

or

2. Our future is that we all went extinct before we could discover it

This can mean that we might be able to create a time travel machine and go back in time before we went extinct and stop extinction and change future, but wouldn't make my two hypothesis' false?


Pfft everyone knows you can only travel back as far as the initial invention of the time machine.
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I've heard of a theory where Universes are like spots that randomly form on a giant fabric, and that there could be any number of universes on this fabric. The spots on this fabric also move, so therefore in this theory, it's possible that universes can collide, destroying everything.

Black holes then, can be connections be connections between these universes.

Idk just a theory I saw on Natgeo.

I've heard that one as well.
It also goes along with string theory and the like, no?
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This is the only scenario that I know of that can exist. Due to the grandfather paradox, if you were to travel back in time and hypothetically kill your father, you would not have been born to go back and kill your father! Therefore, there must be some kind of transparency.

Although I'm not so sure about 'guides'. If time travelers are 'guiding' us, the future must be blind.





Time isn't always constant, so its entirely possible that there are branching timelines where some of us are funneled in one direction and others in another, only to be replaced by ourselves from another timeline.
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3. Go look up paradox in the dictionary.
4. Read up on the grandfather paradox.
5. Alternate universes.


EDIT: Also, traveling into the future is much more likely to happen.


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