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Old 10-12-2012, 01:34 PM   #13661
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While this is true, there shouldn't have been the potential for it to be stripped in the first place - it was a great, accurate throw, Lee Evans got his hands on it, around it, and just almost had full legal possession, that's a catch I've made before, and one I'm sure he's made literally hundreds of time in practice in a single season. All he had to do was keep his arms tense for literally a second more and it was a touchdown. It was a good play by Moore, but it was also bad play by Evans.


Sports Science did a piece about it, Moore hit the ball at the perfect angle, with a chop (instead of a fist) which meant more force was exerted on one spot which lodged the ball free and I believe they said Evans couldn't have done anything about it, Moore just got everything perfect down to the exact chop placement on the ball.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:38 PM   #13662
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Matt Ryan isn't charismatic enough IMO. He could probably get the job done though.


And on charisma and Tony Romo, I think Romo is getting too much blame for the Cowboys sucking. He is definitely talented enough to lead a team, but their team has never had good chemistry or discipline. I blame that they haven't had a charismatic head coach. Jason Garrett is not a good head coach.

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Old 10-12-2012, 01:40 PM   #13663
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I don't think charisma is the problem. I just think he doesn't have the arm. He doesn't get enough zip on his passes, especially when it's windy outside. He might be able to get it done, but he hasn't proved it yet.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:41 PM   #13664
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Sports Science did a piece about it, Moore hit the ball at the perfect angle, with a chop (instead of a fist) which meant more force was exerted on one spot which lodged the ball free and I believe they said Evans couldn't have done anything about it, Moore just got everything perfect down to the exact chop placement on the ball.


Link? Those Sports Science things always seem to pop up on youtube.

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Matt Ryan isn't charismatic enough IMO. He could probably get the job done though.


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Old 10-12-2012, 01:57 PM   #13665
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Link? Those Sports Science things always seem to pop up on youtube.


Had a look for it before posting that, for some reason that one isn't on anymore! Not even the ESPN article about it with "watch the video" has no video to watch

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Moore hit it out of Evans' hands less than a third of a second after Evans hauled it in. His slap generated just 50 pounds of force (about as much as a clap of the hands) but Brenkus explains why it was effective:


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By using his hand like the blade of an ax splitting wood, Moore applies a concentrated force to the edge of the ball. This torque causes an initial rotation of fewer than 90 degrees, but that's enough to spin the ball off of Evans' forearm and out of his grasp.


So forcing the ball to rotate is was caused him to lose grasp of it, that would have happened no matter how he was holding it.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:16 PM   #13666
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Romo has accomplished so much for a guy who came in the league undrafted.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:22 PM   #13667
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Matt Ryan isn't charismatic enough IMO. He could probably get the job done though.


And on charisma and Tony Romo, I think Romo is getting too much blame for the Cowboys sucking. He is definitely talented enough to lead a team, but their team has never had good chemistry or discipline. I blame that they haven't had a charismatic head coach. Jason Garrett is not a good head coach.

Yup. Absolutely correct. Don't get me wrong, hes prone to making stupid mistakes, but the problem with the cowboys is much more systemic than Romo. He's surrounded with a dysfunctional, undisciplined line, receivers who are either too hurt (Austin) or too stupid (Dez) to be effective and poor coaching.

I hate coming off as a romo apologist, but come on. Anyone with eyes can see that the problems run much deeper than him.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:26 PM   #13668
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Romo is one of the only reasons that team is still functioning. That team has some internal issues that all lead back to Jerry Jones. Jason Garret should not be an NFL head coach. This team has too much talent to being playing like this. Not saying I'm not happy about that. I love the Cowboys being dysfunctional.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:05 PM   #13669
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Guys, I think Vick's finally snapped
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:12 PM   #13670
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Good on him. We did it at training, for the warm up lap and exercises our RB's had to carry a ball and we had to randomly try and knock it out.

I'm starting to think our old coach was a genius
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:28 PM   #13672
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Wait, it actually makes sense to you guys?

It just seems so ridiculous to me that I figured it was crazy(Especially that mental image of him going about daily business just randomly carrying a football/babying it LotR-Gollum style). But especially since Jambi's real football coach liked the idea, maybe it's not so crazy after all.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:31 PM   #13673
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Guys, I think Vick's finally snapped


I think I read somewhere that Walter Payton did that once after a season where he had a fumbling problem.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:33 PM   #13674
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Didn't Tiki Barber do something similar to solve all of his fumbling problems?
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:05 PM   #13675
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Wait, it actually makes sense to you guys?

It just seems so ridiculous to me that I figured it was crazy(Especially that mental image of him going about daily business just randomly carrying a football/babying it LotR-Gollum style). But especially since Jambi's real football coach liked the idea, maybe it's not so crazy after all.



It makes it subconcious. So much of football is doing stuff instinctively. If you teach your body/mind to carry the ball, when people are flying at you in game you think about them and not about the ball because your body is subconsciously looking after it so to speak
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Basically what jambi said. The team I used to play for have been doing it for years they said, helps build the muscle memory of keeping the ball secure when you're concentrating on doing everything else. As an added incentive, if we managed to knock it out of their hands at any point in the training, it was 20 push-ups for them

It sounds crazy that Vick/any other NFL player is doing it now because it's something that's taught in high school/college and sticks with them for life (like riding a bike or playing guitar). But if it works for him, then you can't blame the guy for trying to improve one of his weaknesses.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:16 AM   #13677
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Spotted this comment on an NFL.com video about whether or not the Falcons are the real deal because of their weak schedule. Figured it was worth a repost.

"First of all the Falcons opponents are a combined 9 and 16. Not 10 and 19. Five of those 16 loses came from the Falcons. If Falcons were 0-5 those teams would be a combined 14-10. Secondly, the Falcons beat the Chargers, who are 3-2 (a winning record) in San Diego. The Falcons dominated them on the road. Thirdly, both Denver and Washington would have winning records had they beaten the Falcons. That’s three quality opponents.

Now, if we used this same logic on the Texans, Patriots, Ravans, and 49ers, we’d have to conclude they are not for real either. Here’s the combined records of the teams they have beaten:

Texans 7- 19.
Patriots 6-10
Ravens 7- 12.
49ers 7- 12.

There are only seven teams that are better than 3-2. There are seven 3-2 teams and seven 2-3 teams. That accounts for 21 of the 32 NFL teams. It’s much too early in the season to say this team or that team doesn't have a winning record and therefore it isn't a quality win. The Packers have a losing record and people still consider them a good team."
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:43 AM   #13678
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The Patriots got "LOL DIDN'T BEAT ANY TEAMS OVER 8-8" crap last year...everyone then failed to notice that something like 5 of those teams would have gone 9-7 minimum had they beaten the Pats.

Best thing to do when your team is playing well and winning is ignore the media 'cause they will try and find ways to discredit it.
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Looking forward to seeing how the Seahawks defense matches up against the Pats tomorrow. It's going to be a good test for them. They really need to work on neutralizing Welker's impact. That isn't easy of course.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:01 AM   #13680
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Guys, I think Vick's finally snapped

College coaches do that all the time to kids. Not that uncommon.
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