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Old 04-10-2012, 12:57 PM   #1
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Keeping your drummer on a leash?

I suppose this relations advice more then anything else
Our drummer is really good, like really good but he is ridiculously indisciplined
We play covers and our own songs but no matter what we play there are three main problems on the drums
1. loads of fills. Their cool fills, but there can be too much of a good thing
2. Really loose beat. What he plays changes every time. He has no consistency in his beats, even if they are good. Sometimes he can get away with improvising but when we stop and he doesn't, or end a song and he doesn't realise it sounds just terrible
3. He never has any idea where he is in a song. I think this is mostly because when he practices he never listens to the song. This is linked with 2 as he just guesses what to do and forgets what worked last time. I think he is a little bit in his own world, as if he is playing on his own.
I play the drums as well and show him what to do, but he just forgets. The real problem is that he takes criticism really badly, he always looks as if we've just told we hate him and wish he would die. Not angry, just sad
Also he is a nice guy and we are close friends and I value this friendship. I think kicking him out would ruin this so none of that please
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:58 PM   #2
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Build a device that lets you pass an electric current through his junk every time he does something stupid, and you'll train him out of it in no time.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:00 PM   #3
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Just tell him all of that (in a nice way, of course). Some constructive criticism never hurts.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #4
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Pass on the wisdom of John Bonham, who said that to be a truely great drummer you must know what not to play.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #5
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Drummers > Guitarists.

SO SHUT YO' MOUTH.

Edit: After reading the OP he doesn't sound like that great a drummer
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:10 PM   #6
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #7
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I've been playing drums myself ever since I was 7, and he seems like the typical Keith Moon-ish drummer. Tell him to play a cool drum lines with some ghost notes on the snare, hi-hat tricks and so on and so forth. Laying down the basic drum line and building it up with a some phrasing every now and then, is a good thing to do. It gives a rather monotone drum beat a cool sounding twist. That's what Bonham did.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:57 PM   #8
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Blow him every time he plays something cool, then he'll keep doing cool things, and you'll never go hungry.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:00 PM   #9
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If he can't keep a simple rhythm down and always forgets where he is in the song, he's not a good drummer.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:02 PM   #10
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Either be nice about it, or start covering a shit load of Thomas Pridgen era Mars Volta where craziness is all that happened
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:12 PM   #11
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Wow TS, that's exactly how our drummer was. Eventually he started showing up less and less til we kicked him out. That was more the declining friendship though.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:14 PM   #12
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If he can't keep a simple rhythm down and always forgets where he is in the song, he's not a good drummer.

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Old 04-10-2012, 02:23 PM   #13
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Tell him to stop focusing on himself and listen to the overall sound.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:39 PM   #14
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how much input does he have in writing? he might just be bored, having had no input on the song bar perhaps the drum line.
for me at least, hearing or playing a part that i wrote or had input on is much more interesting and fun that just playing what i've been told to write
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:42 PM   #15
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I was in a band with a drummer like that, not much to do really; all drummers have ADD
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:45 PM   #16
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Challenge him. Tell him that you bet he cant play a full song on nothing more than the kick, snare, and hi hat and see how quickly his playing tightens up. Tell him that as long as he can maintain the groove and the beat, that he can do whatever else he wants--as long as he stays in the pocket. This is where your bassist needs to reel him in while you're playing, because if your drummer won't be the timekeeper and pacesetter, than your bassist will have to.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:49 PM   #17
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2 thoughts.

1. Shock collar.

2. Record what you play and play it back to him. If it really sounds as obnoxious as you say, it should be obvious when you play it back, which opens the door for fixing it.

If you go with option 1, please videotape it!
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:14 PM   #18
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:25 PM   #19
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he always looks as if we've just told we hate him and wish he would die. Not angry, just sad

I love this part
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:30 PM   #20
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Pretty much this

And I hope this doesn't happen to me... I got 3 bands looking for a drummer and I don't wanna be like the guy in the OP
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