lookpizza

Sooo all it takes to be good at music is the ability to play music? Terrible means bad (actually it can also mean great but that's in a different sense), bad generally means not good. The Foo Fighters aren't good. Don't call me pizza, fan7.

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Drache Wachter

Let's try this again.


I've never heard of anyone legitimately hating on Stevie Wonder.


And now for the follow-up......

lookpizza

Lets not.

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Mr E Meat

no one hates pink floyd

cant think of many others

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lookpizza

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rockfan7

No, it takes doing what you want to do well, and they do that and you don't get to tell the world what is good and what's bad

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lookpizza

What do they do well? Play alternative rock? They don't do that well... here's some bands that do that well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOvnGHwtDU&ob=av2n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIMZ87tsFrw&ob=av2n



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8-tXG8KrWs&ob=av2e
I don't even like alt rock but I can tell the difference between good song writing and this.

And you don't get to tell me what I can tell people.

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rockfan7

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad songwriting, bro. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks, BRO. I don't know what's so confusing about that, like I do not enjoy... I don't even know... Phoenix at all. Does that mean they suck? No. Does that mean they write bad songs? No. It only means that I do not like them, because I, like you, are not the summation of the worlds opinion and do not get to deem what is good and what is not. If someone could do that we would all listen to whatever they listened to.


And I love The Weakerthans so hard.

THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST.

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lookpizza

The fact that I don't like them isn't why I say they're bad. I like plenty of bands that are bad and I dislike plenty of bands that are good. I say they're bad because they write bad music. It just so happens that in this instance how much I enjoy their music happens to coincide with how good it is.

I'm not your bro.

edit: and despite all that, this thread is suppose to be about bands no one hates.. people posted bands that I don't like, I confirmed that their assumptions about those bands are wrong. I'm sure many other people share my opinion in disliking those bands, are my opinions not valid? It's a dumb thread and a dumb argument.

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rockfan7

There is no such thing as good and bad music, it's just music, it all comes down to opinion. 'sall I'm sayin'.

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I like U2 quite a bit. But clearly you haven't been around here that long, because their detractors seem to be in abundance here. 'Course, I could never tell if people didn't like U2, or they just hated Bono.

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Right, because britney spears is on the same level as Mozart, because it's all subjective?

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Pretty much I know there are a ton of people who enjoy Britney Spears more than Mozart, it doesn't make them inferior, it's just what makes them happiest.

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It is subjective, in the sense that, art is something which can only be produced and understood by human subjects, and get's it's value from this, rather than having aesthetic value imbued into it as an inherent natural property, existing indendently of it's perception by human subjects. That aesthetics is in some sense subjective doesn't equate to it's value being relative to individual subjects though. Kant is the obvious example of a thinker who claimed that aesthetic judgements are both subjective and universally valid.

But yeah, I get what you're saying, on an intuitive level I couldn't stomach putting Mozart or Strauss on the same footing as modern pop. These kind of debates seemed to be purposely designed by some malignant deity* to irritate with the combination of the fact that I don't have the conceptual resources to convert that inuitive feeling into a concrete argument, and the fact people with an even more miniscule understanding than mine seem to think that they do have that capacity on the other side of the argument.

*Maybe there is a God with a very perceptive feeling for torturing people, and this is my punishment for listening to Venom and Bathory.



It is my opinion that it is morally right to rape the wives and daughters of soldiers after conquering an enemy territory. Disagree? Think I'm inhuman? Well that's just like, your opinion man. I mean it's not like you can prove that I'm wrong, there isn't, like, a tape measure that you can use to measure the moral value of acts, now is there? It's just what I feel is right. You can't pass judgement on my opinions like that could you? They are after all the spontaneous product of my pure, untainted and uninfluenced spirit. What right do you have to try convincing me otherwise?

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There is nothing morally wrong with the Foo Fighters, there is with rape. I don't think that is a very good comparison, at all.

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lookpizza

There are plenty of people who think there is nothing wrong with rape (rapists usually), and according to you opinion is the end all be all of good and bad.

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rockfan7

For music yeah. If there were some kind of parameter for what is good then we'd only listen to what fits into it.

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You've missed the point. I wasn't saying that there is something morally wrong with making certain aesthetic decisions, I'm trying to draw parrallels between the kind of judgements that get made in ethics and the kind that get made in aesthetics. Basically every argument levelled against universal validity in aesthetic judgements can be transferred into an equally good argument against universal validity in ethical judgements. After all, taking into account the ethical rules adopted by a large variety of human cultures and individuals, we can see that multiplicity of these is fairly constant.

Some societies find female (And male) circumcision morally abhorrent and for others it is a key part of their way of life. The same can be said of other practices like homosexuality, human and animal sacrifice. This multiplicity of ethical judgements is combined with the fact that making ethical judgements is different entirely from making a judgement as the length and width of a doorway. You can't use a tape measure to determine the moral value of any act.

Lack of an existing universal consensus and the inability to find one are both common arguments against the impossibility of universality in aesthetic judgements as well. What I'm saying is, if you don't find it wrong to say that it's Ok to think that Britney is better than Beethoven, by the same token you shouldn't, in theory, have much of a problem with me saying that, say, stealing from people you don't like is fine and dandy.

Of course there are people who would actually say that there actually is nothing wrong with rape and murder, and ethical judgements are purely relative. At which point I throw my arms in the air and give up without anything to reply. Which is probably what I should do with this thread, because I don't actually have a conclusive argument to be stated. It just kind of bugs that no-one on the other side of the fence really has the right to be so certain either. It would be swell if once in a while people would be less stubborn and admit to how little any of us knows.

/Socrates

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It's just subjective you can jack off to how good Beethoven as much as you want but at the end of the day people are going to listen to what makes them happy, and just because you think what you listen to is so complex or deep or well written isn't going to change that fact. It's just snobbish.


I barely read anything you said, because I don't care enough and this is the internet

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