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Old 05-12-2012, 02:42 AM   #1
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8-12 hour Black metal practice schedule

can somebody please write out out a daily practice schedule for learning to become an adept and very masterful black metal guitarist

and any sort of tips
and any info that might help like what sort of picks ( i use the kind of dunlop jazz 3's with grip mostly), what gauge and kind of strings

are there any specific typical technique problems to do with breaking strings?

I play in a traditional style like Darkthrone.

i feel like i am not very good for how obsessively i play and i need better practice

any thing you can tell me will be apreciated

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Old 05-12-2012, 02:51 AM   #2
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:52 AM   #3
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tremolo picking

yes, I do a lot of that.... but i can't do it for 11 hours straight, or it well become very sloppy.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:55 AM   #4
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Just play until somebody nearby tells you to stop. Then play Playstation for the other 11hrs59min.

But if you'd like some proper advice:

- If you want to know exact gear, google your favourite black metal guitarist and see what gear he uses.

- Broken strings are often a cause of bad technique, usually attacking (hitting) the strings too hard, having too much "depth" on the pick (ie. it sticks out too far past the string to the guitar), the latter of which is probably not correct in your case as the Jazz 3s can't physically go that far unless you're doing something really wrong.

- Practice drills with a metronome, a book like "Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar" would be handy.

- Learn full (ie. complete including rhythm parts) songs and play along with them.


If you'd like to have general advice:

- Learn major/minor scales
- Learn chords
- Learn harmonising
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Practising for 8 hours is only going to lead to injury. Practising scales and arpeggios mindlessly for hours on end is not going to benefit you in any way. You need to actually be THINKING about what you're doing while you're practising. If you're serious, 2-3 hours of thoughtful practise (which includes composing and ear training) should be more than enough. Better yet, join or start a Black Metal band. It will do more for you than 12 hours of practise at home on your own ever will.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:07 AM   #6
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Get a teacher. Don't think that 12hrs a day will make you a great musician. It will, but if you will practice wisely. If you'll have a teacher he will judge your abilities and point out your mistakes, so you can improve faster.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:11 AM   #7
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DON'T practise tremolo picking for 8-12 hours a day. That will without a doubt lead you into an injury. Make sure the picking motion comes from your wrist and that you're not tensing anything.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:55 AM   #8
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If you feel that you need a daily practice schedule, just use one for general technique improvement. General technique is easily transferable to many/every genre and will give you more back than thinking "I should only practice trem picking cos thatís wot I done heard the Burzums playing". The techniques used for playing early BM are not really that extensive anyway; just trem picking, power chords and solos messier than the morning after a curry.

Also, practicing loses you kvlt points.
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:49 AM   #9
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Practicing less and enjoying is much more important than practicing more and not enjoying. If you don't like playing guitar 8 hours a day, then don't. Play as long as you enjoy it.

Join a band. In a band you'll learn much more than playing at home alone.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:55 AM   #10
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Black metal needs little to no practice. If you're going to be doing solos, chances are you'll be entering the death metal realm.

Tremolo picking everything and ringing out dissonant triads isn't too hard.


But seriously: If you want to be an epic black metal guitarist, it's going to take years and years and years of work.

Even 14 hours a day won't get you anywhere fast. Why? The brain only absorbs so much. Play the same arpeggio for 14 hours straight and you'll find the next day you'd be the same as someone who practiced it for one hour. Just the only difference is that you will probably have it so ingrained into your head that whenever you try 3 notes of the arpeggio you'll default to it.



To be honest, most guitarists in black metal are pretty bad, just because they don't actually learn the instrument enough to control it. Mastering black metal isn't too hard. Now, if you manage to have after half a decade of intense practicing... flawless technique on all types of guitar playing... you can willingly create dissonant chords and such at your whim and it'll sound awesome and much better than most black metal guitarists.



As a black metal listener, I tend to find the guitar takes more of a noise role than anything.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:23 PM   #11
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Black metal needs little to no practice. If you're going to be doing solos, chances are you'll be entering the death metal realm.

Tremolo picking everything and ringing out dissonant triads isn't too hard.


But seriously: If you want to be an epic black metal guitarist, it's going to take years and years and years of work.

Even 14 hours a day won't get you anywhere fast. Why? The brain only absorbs so much. Play the same arpeggio for 14 hours straight and you'll find the next day you'd be the same as someone who practiced it for one hour. Just the only difference is that you will probably have it so ingrained into your head that whenever you try 3 notes of the arpeggio you'll default to it.



To be honest, most guitarists in black metal are pretty bad, just because they don't actually learn the instrument enough to control it. Mastering black metal isn't too hard. Now, if you manage to have after half a decade of intense practicing... flawless technique on all types of guitar playing... you can willingly create dissonant chords and such at your whim and it'll sound awesome and much better than most black metal guitarists.



As a black metal listener, I tend to find the guitar takes more of a noise role than anything.

I'm not very familiar with black metal but that just sounds wrong

Are you saying that picking 16ths at 220 bpm isn't hard to master? I consider myself a decent guitarist but I've never been able to pick that fast without sacrificing tightness. And even though most black metal guitarists suck, there's no need to generalize. Just look at Ihsahn. He certainly doesn't suck.

Then again, I have no idea what Darkthrone is like so it's hard to say.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:33 PM   #12
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Well, I would suggest that you need to develop

Ears
Timekeeping
Fretboard Knowledge
Imagination
Technique

to be a good musician in any style. So I would work at least an hour on each of the above each day.

In terms of specific technique stuff, I would work on making sure your tremolo is extremely accurate and extremely relaxed.

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are there any specific typical technique problems to do with breaking strings?


Yes, you're picking too hard, or with too much pick, or you're too tense as you play.

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Be very wary of proclaiming any style easy to master.
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:36 PM   #13
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Weren't black metal musicians in the early 90s when the genre was new pretty bad players (I have heard about that, not really into black metal)? I mean they could play tremolo picking but could they play anything else? Of course nowadays when black metal has become commercialized, it's like any genre. But when black metal was new, wasn't it kind of a Norwegian version of punk?
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I'm not very familiar with black metal but that just sounds wrong

Why are you trying to disagree with me if you have no idea what black metal even is


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Are you saying that picking 16ths at 220 bpm isn't hard to master? I consider myself a decent guitarist but I've never been able to pick that fast without sacrificing tightness. And even though most black metal guitarists suck, there's no need to generalize. Just look at Ihsahn. He certainly doesn't suck.


Ihsahn is literally one of the few exceptions of BM artists that now can play the guitar.

But really, have you even listened to ITNE from Emperor?
Ihsahn doesn't even play black metal now, maybe if he does a rare Emperor tour, but his latest music is progressive with harsh vocals, the only possible black metal thing left is his vocals. Though he still kicks ass.

I can do 220 bpm 16th's, but it's not needed. Most BM players go around 160 bpm 16th's I think, some even less but with the amount of noise it sounds like they're going faster than they actually are.
If it's not tremolo picking, it's ringing out a triad or a big power chord.


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Looks like the rhythm Loomis of Black Metal.

But seriously, I could do that. Maybe I'm just amazing[/ego]... I don't know. It just looks so easy compared to stuff by Shawn Lane, Yngwie... etc. I even tried playing it and it wasn't hard (mainly because there were no solos involved at all); don't think I could do that for 7 minutes straight though.
Though for black metal creativity I'd give him eleven out of ten, but... we're in a technical thread



The best black metal band for solos is Arthemesia. When Jari Maenpaa substituted in some solos it was truly awesome. That was top class, that was the first BM band that actually did proper soloing (let alone sweeping!) without it sounding like a complete mess. <3 jari



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Weren't black metal musicians in the early 90s when the genre was new pretty bad players (I have heard about that, not really into black metal)? I mean they could play tremolo picking but could they play anything else? Of course nowadays when black metal has become commercialized, it's like any genre. But when black metal was new, wasn't it kind of a Norwegian version of punk?


I'd say this is pretty correct, I'd answer yes to all the above except playing anything else I'd put a no.
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:41 AM   #15
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I find over 8 hours is and has been very beneficial for me. i do not have a job and i go to an alternative high school where a school day is only 3 hours, this time in my life i am meant to spend mainly with the guitar.

i live in a forested area and have a portable amp so i often wander into the forest to practice and write so i don't just sit in my room allay.

and the graveyard as i believe in ghosts.

i do enjoy guitar always

thank you for all the answers

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But seriously, I could do that. Maybe I'm just amazing[/ego]... I don't know. It just looks so easy compared to stuff by Shawn Lane, Yngwie... etc. I even tried playing it and it wasn't hard (mainly because there were no solos involved at all); don't think I could do that for 7 minutes straight though.
Though for black metal creativity I'd give him eleven out of ten, but... we're in a technical thread


Doing it for 7 minutes is pretty essential to the style.

Anyway, I would certainly much rather play Yngwie than that, and bringing up Shawn Lane is just cheap.

Of course it's easier than what Shawn does. What isn't?

That vid scares the shit out of me though, I've seen about 4 or 5 people ever display that kind of right hand control and speed - so I'm going to be respectfully doubtful that you can play it accurately. He also plays pretty decent lead btw.
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I can only tell you one thing, and it's something that I hold true to this day.

Back in marching band, our Director always drilled it into us :
12 hours of mediocre practice will only make you a slightly better mediocre musician.

2 hours of perfect practice will make you that much closer to a GREAT musician.

Remember kids, practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
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Also, practicing loses you kvlt points.



This.


Unless you're trying to be Neige or Shinichi Ishikawa, you don't even need to practice a lot to be a great black metal guitarist. Just practice the consistency of your tremolo picking, and study minor chords/scales/progressions. With black metal you should probably try doing some more of your own songwriting for practice.


Remember that black metal isn't supposed to be intense or brutal. It's supposed to be hypnotic. I listen to Dunkelheit whenever I want to go to sleep quick.
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What are kvlt points?

the word kvlt is usually a joke about the fact that black metal is a cult, and many people who listen to it have a cultist like mindset, like myself.

and usually many people who play black metal believe songwriting important and not technical skill or showing off. i agree that it is more important however i would like to be good at performing my music and i think better skill would make me a better writer

there is a youtube video of Darkthrone playing live and messing up
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Just play tech death, and when you get sick of it go back to black metal.

It'll seem easy as hell.
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