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Old 04-19-2015, 04:45 AM   #1
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So I recently gave up watching porn...

...because I enjoy making life choices that make me better than you (all of my choices make me better than you).

Then I started thinking: one of the reasons that porn is considered to be bad is because it objectifies women.

But then what if I fantasise about a girl while I beat the bishop, am I still objectifying women? Am I still reducing them to a sexual object for my own gratification?

Does that mean that we all have to think about dudes when we tickle the tusk? Because lord knows men can't be objectified.

Is it misogynistic to fantasise about women?
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Old 04-19-2015, 04:49 AM   #2
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It would be misogynistic if you expected a female to perform those acts on you in real life, and we're able to distinguish your fantasies from reality.

My understanding of why people oppose porn on the grounds that it objectifies women is that it creates unrealistic expectations about real sexual encounters and how women should be.

Either way, you're thinkin' too hard about this bro
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creates unrealistic expectations about real sexual encounters and how women should be.

Is this not fantasy?
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Old 04-19-2015, 04:51 AM   #4
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Is this not fantasy?


Yes, but porn is broadcast in the public domain, your mental images aren't (unless you keep a blog or dream journal online)
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Old 04-19-2015, 04:52 AM   #5
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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?
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Old 04-19-2015, 04:57 AM   #6
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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?


Depends on the porn. There's a lot of porn out there now that is focused on being more realistic and not degrading, and it's actually pretty neat stuff to watch.

And you'd be surprised, recently a psychologist in Sweden recommended that students in high school be given classes in porn to clarify the difference between fantasy and reality when it comes to sexual behaviour.

Most of us get the birds and bees talk in some form or another, but seeing as there are very few teenage kids out there who would ever admit to their parents that they watch porn, they aren't able to use their parents as a morality compass, and then when they become sexually active and start dating, they may struggle to separate normal (relatively speaking) sexual behaviour with sexual behaviour that happens in porn.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:01 AM   #7
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I heard about that porn in the classroom thing too, though in Denmark in my case.

Those Scandi's are way ahead of the curve.
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Porn in and of itself isn't a bad thing and neither is watching it, what is bad about porn is that guys are taking to heart the hyper sexualised porn and it is warping their expectations of reality and what to expect.

Really, real sex is hardly anything like porn or the structure of a typical porn movie. Most porn has a huge focus on the enjoyment of the male and this has led to a generation of guys not knowing that they have to please a woman just as much as she pleases him.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:03 AM   #9
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I heard about that porn in the classroom thing too, though in Denmark in my case.

Those Scandi's are way ahead of the curve.


Maybe I got the country wrong, I did write that whole paragraph off the cuff....

But either way, pretty smart thinking.

And also, this is pretty on point:
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Really, real sex is hardly anything like porn or the structure of a typical porn movie. Most porn has a huge focus on the enjoyment of the male and this has led to a generation of guys not knowing that they have to please a woman just as much as she pleases him.
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Doesn't watching porn regularly also stimulate the same part of your brain as a cocaine addiction would?

^ I get Lyle's point, but i'm not part of that generation of ****wits. I do things based on mutuality and respect and my base understanding of sex was not formed on porn. Porn came later.

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Old 04-19-2015, 05:04 AM   #11
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Doesn't watching porn regularly also stimulate the same part of your brain as a cocaine addiction would?


Not quite, one scientist did liken some people's reactions to porn as "like being on cocaine", but as far as I know, no one has done a study that actually pinpoints that.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:08 AM   #12
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Fantasizing about women isn't misogynistic, it's natural.

Not in the sense that lotsa people do it so it's natural, in the sense that it's in our genes to be aroused by women (for most men at least).

It's misogyny if you don't have regard for their dignity.
So if the porn is very romantic it's a bit less misogynistic.

Or you could stop being a hypocrite and do what you like because you like it instead of trying very hard to prove you're morally better than everybody else just for the sake of it.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:10 AM   #13
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But I am better than you
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:14 AM   #14
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I'd mainly say porn is damaging in teenage relationships for guys/girls and the kinda girls who don't get a girlfriend for a while. They're being indoctrinated to expect a certain structure of stuff during sex. In the case of younger girls, they're going to be harmed by this kinda thing because they're vulnerable and pandering to what the guy expects. In cases of older guys they could go into their first relationship and just be laughed out the door by an older partner because of what they are expecting.

Really though if you're a sensible person you won't expect your sex to be like porn because the first time you actually get up close and personal with a vagina you realise it's gonna be a lot of work and effort to try all that porn shit

However USB, you have to understand that as time goes on more and more guys are getting their first exposure to sex through porn, and not messing about with a girl over summer in her garden. The learning process is all off due to how easily porn is accessed.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:20 AM   #15
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What about all that stuff? >.>
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:26 AM   #18
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Started watching it and he started talking about how stuff like choking and BDSM were tools of the patriarchy or something. I'm personally not into that shit but who is he to judge? A lot of women enjoy that kind of stuff and engaging in that doesn't enforce male power as long as it is CONSENSUAL.

Agree with porn desensualising sex due to lack of kissing, hand contact etc.
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However USB, you have to understand that as time goes on more and more guys are getting their first exposure to sex through porn, and not messing about with a girl over summer on her trampoline. The learning process is all off due to how easily porn is accessed.


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...because I enjoy making life choices that make me better than you (all of my choices make me better than you).

Then I started thinking: one of the reasons that porn is considered to be bad is because it objectifies women.

But then what if I fantasise about a girl while I beat the bishop, am I still objectifying women? Am I still reducing them to a sexual object for my own gratification?

Does that mean that we all have to think about dudes when we tickle the tusk? Because lord knows men can't be objectified.

Is it misogynistic to fantasise about women?

Be asexual ******

I see at least 4 bbc (look up what that stands for) threads on /b/ a day, it objectifies men too you sexist.

You're also an idiot for comparing cocaine to porn, same part of the brain or not it's not worth mentioning because no one's sold their gold rings to buy a subscription to penthous.

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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?

I live in what's considered the meth capital of the world, more labs are busted in a 100 mile area of me than anywhere in the world.
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