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Old 07-01-2015, 09:53 PM   #1
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What do you think of it? If you are for/against/ambivalent please explain why.

I've been very confused with my opinion on it for a while and I would like some other perspectives.
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:58 PM   #2
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seems shady as fvck and need to read into it more
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:00 PM   #3
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I like anything that promotes free trade. The people I see complaining are the kinda people who complain about everything, eg. unions, socialists, Bernie Sanders.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:01 PM   #4
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I'm against it. Given how little of it actually directly relates to trade, the scope of what it aims to achieve and the general secrecy of the negotiations it is pretty troubling. It strips the general population of even the illusion of sovereignty/control and gives even more power and influence to the elite class.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:01 PM   #5
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I had to Google TPP, I thought this was for The Phantom Pain
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:04 PM   #6
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I like anything that promotes free trade. The people I see complaining are the kinda people who complain about everything, eg. unions, socialists, Bernie Sanders.

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Old 07-01-2015, 10:05 PM   #7
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Back when I glossed over some of the intellectual prop. stuff, US seemed to object to a good amount of the parts, which is good (oh hey wow, our Constitution still matters),

and it might better govern international markets that gain competitive advantages through currency manipulation,





but the fact that it was straight-up executive with no public due process has me err on the side of not really caring for it. I am pro-profit like a normal person, but who knows if Wall St is just gonna use this to send us into the double dip recession again.


idc = idk = neutral
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:06 PM   #8
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Against. One, because I'm skeptical of any free trade agreements that may 1) hurt American workers or 2) allow transnational corporations to usurp the power of sovereign nations. Two, because even if I wholeheartedly agreed with everything it stood for, the fact that it has been negotiated in secrecy with little to no transparency should be alarming to anyone on principle. I realize we eventually will be able to (allegedly) see everything before the final vote on TPP. But if it's so great and so progressive, why can't they just tell us what's so great and so progressive about it?
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in fewer than several words, can someone tell me what this is.
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Y'all complain about "secrecy" like you would've been paying attention anyway
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:10 PM   #13
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I like anything that promotes free trade. The people I see complaining are the kinda people who complain about everything, eg. unions, socialists, Bernie Sanders.

ya just take it babe stop yr bitching
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:14 PM   #14
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I dont see how anyone can be for or against it yet since hardly any specific s have been released. That being said, I understand people who are wary of it because of the secrecy, but I am going to hold off on any judgements untilcwe know more from official statements.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:15 PM   #15
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i have no idea wtf this is but if it exists or not, like everything else, it will not directly effect me in any way.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:20 PM   #16
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thanks for your responses so far

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in fewer than several words, can someone tell me what this is.


Wikipedia pls (i don't trust myself to be able to explain it in an unbiased manner in fewer than several words)


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I dont see how anyone can be for or against it yet since hardly any specific s have been released. That being said, I understand people who are wary of it because of the secrecy, but I am going to hold off on any judgements untilcwe know more from official statements.


I wouldn't have cared about it much until some wikileaks documents were released a few years ago. From what I read there it seemed like a good thing* but I also don't want to make any assumptions about it now because....it's been a few years


*for whom though? this is also why I am confused - it is better for some countries than others and unfortunately I care about at least 3 of the countries involved because my future will be affected by them.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:23 PM   #18
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in fewer than several words, can someone tell me what this is.


A free trade agreement between a dozen nations. Think NAFTA, but with Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan, etc.
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