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Old 11-24-2014, 10:34 PM   #1
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12 year old boy shot to death for having bb gun

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A 12-year-old boy who was shot by Cleveland police officers while carrying a replica gun in a park playground has died, hospital officials said today.

The boy, identified by the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office as Tamir Rice, died at MetroHealth Medical Center after he was taken there for surgery Saturday afternoon, according to the medical examiner.

Officers were called to the Cudell Recreation Center after receiving reports of the boy waving a gun and pointing it at people, the Cleveland Division of Police said in a statement.

Two officers found Rice in the playground and ordered him to raise his hands, but he instead reached for what the officers thought was a gun in his waistband, police said.

The officers fired twice, hitting the boy in the torso.

Officers learned the gun was fake after the shooting, police said. Made to resemble a semi-automatic pistol, the orange safety indicator had been removed from the "airsoft" replica gun the boy was holding, police said.

The witness who made the initial 911 call to police told the dispatcher that the boy's gun may not have been real and that he was a juvenile, according to audio released by the Cleveland Police Department on Sunday.


I couldn't find any threads on this but holy ****
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:35 PM   #2
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Yeah but what about Ferguson?
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:36 PM   #3
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I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it, but just gonna say, there's a reason the orange tip is on airsoft/BB guns.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:36 PM   #4
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:39 PM   #5
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he shouldn't gave died for this but what an idiot for bringing a replica bb gun and pointing it at people. White Black Blue or Purple that's just incredibly stupid.

This is terrible police work, but this doesn't seem like a problem of race. This seems like a problem of stupidity from both parties that unfortunately ended fatally.


Edit: I'm assuming this boy was of a minority other than white because of your post about it in the Ferguson thread.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:43 PM   #6
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I'm not going to pretend I know anything about US gun laws but where the **** would a 12 year old get a gun?
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:44 PM   #7
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hey canti

you forgot about this

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Old 11-24-2014, 10:44 PM   #8
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I'm not going to pretend I know anything about US gun laws but where the **** would a 12 year old get a gun?

bb gun, it's fake.

Edit: but really there shouldn't be fake guns that realistic.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:44 PM   #9
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this is what happens when you have a really shitty gun culture
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:45 PM   #10
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I'm not going to pretend I know anything about US gun laws but where the **** would a 12 year old get a gun?

It was an airsoft gun. I think everyone I knew owned either one of them or a paintball gun as a kid. You can get them everywhere.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:46 PM   #11
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I'm not going to pretend I know anything about US gun laws but where the **** would a 12 year old get a gun?




only b/c i know tho, living in the midwest and all

(fyi i'm not even talking about airsoft/bb/paintball guns)

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Old 11-24-2014, 10:47 PM   #12
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Wow.

I always wondered how Dillinger could have escaped prison with just a wooden pistol. Seeing American cops' ability to recognize firearms, I can see why now.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:47 PM   #13
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It was an airsoft gun. I think everyone I knew owned either one of them or a paintball gun as a kid. You can get them everywhere.


I know it was an airsoft gun. I was questioning the police officer's train of thought.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:48 PM   #14
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The kid got cleansed from the gene pool, parents are failures for letting him run around a park unsupervised to begin with.



HindsightEDIT: Wow you guys are touchy touchy. It's the patriarch or matriarch's job to teach the offspring that waving around potential weapons and instruments of fear with no purpose will get them killed. You guys are are human mob of uneducated keyboard warriors if you disagree with my edited explanation.


It doesn't matter if it's fake or not, the child should understand the gravity of mortality. Even at prepubescent ages.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:49 PM   #15
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the report on this i originally saw stated that the person who called the police said it's probably fake multiple times

granted, if they really can't see it and it's in the shape of a gun and they think lives are in danger, there's a chance no blame could be on them. i think the details of whether this was something that essentially couldn't be helped or whether they were just completely trigger happy and knew it was a kid (and whether his race had anything to do with it if we're real) and knew everyone was probably safe is something you'd have to really see to understand for sure. it was at night wasn't it?

of course i haven't looked into this one a lot. it's absolutely heartbreaking whatever really happened.

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The kid got cleansed from the gene pool, parents are failures for letting him run around a park unsupervised to begin with.

i generally don't like doing this sort of response anymore but ugh. complete trash here.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:49 PM   #16
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On the one hand, he's twelve.



On the other hand, he's pointing a gun (for all they know) at people and police officers.


I can see it from both sides. Would I have shot? Can't say for sure, but probably not. I feel like the police officers should have assumed that it was a toy, however when you perceive that your life is in danger you tend to make rash choices.

Don't let your kid run around in public pointing weapons (even toys) at people, parents. That should be common sense! At the same time though, if my kid ran off with his friends and found a toy somewhere and got killed because of it, I would be outraged.

At the end of the day, both parties are to blame. I say a punishment for the involved officers would be fitting, but nothing too harsh.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:50 PM   #17
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I know it was an airsoft gun. I was questioning the police officer's train of thought.

if you think it's hard for kids to get guns in areas like Cleveland, you need to open your eyes a bit
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I know it was an airsoft gun. I was questioning the police officer's train of thought.

oh, gotcha.
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The kid got cleansed from the gene pool, parents are failures for letting him run around a park unsupervised to begin with.


people like you need to be brutally murdered

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this is what happens when you have a nonexistent firearms safety etiquette coupled with mass produced military simulation video games and a surplus of replica firearms that are available to children




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