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Old 06-28-2012, 06:04 PM   #21
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Here's a question: Is there a way to talk about "modern sound" or "modern guitar tone" without it being specific to metal?
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:08 PM   #22
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To add yet another question, why the hell is crunch called crunch? Crunch isn't cunchy sounding at all.


Crunch IS supposed to be crunchy. Listen to the opening bars of that.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:08 PM   #23
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Here's a question: Is there a way to talk about "modern sound" or "modern guitar tone" without it being specific to metal?



great question actually
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:20 PM   #24
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:38 PM   #25
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I was bored waiting for my pasta to cook

i'm actually going to do that to my cabinet next time i get a box of kellogg's cereal.

it'll look better than the harley benton logo anyway
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:56 PM   #26
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Modern guitar tends to be mostly mids without a lot of top or bottom end, usually combined with a really punchy speaker like a Vintage 30.

The guitars really aren't scooped at all... the problem is that people hear the bassist and think it's the guitarist putting out all that low end, then try to replicate that sound using just their guitar.

Multi-tracking and compressing guitars has been around for decades... it's not really a new feature of modern sound.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEorjsCvlTQ

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Old 06-28-2012, 07:51 PM   #27
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Modern guitar tends to be mostly mids without a lot of top or bottom end, usually combined with a really punchy speaker like a Vintage 30.


Then why do I so frequently hear so much ... treble. Particularly for the lead tones.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:22 PM   #28
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Modern is when it looks like Killswitch Engage:




That's basically it. The sound itself isn't much different from what death metal bands have been doing since the '80s.


Well, I thinks it's a little more refined. Death metal was pretty awful until one day mike ammot finally decided guitar didn't have to sound like ass, and made heartwork. I think that a lot metal core and death core have done what 80s metal did: formulate a generic sound and beat the thing to death. Death metal from the early days was very much "give me all the distortion, and to hell with eq!" at least a lot of the new guys attemp to eq their amps into some kind of focused sound. Personally, I think that modern guitar tone really does come from the original tone chasers trying to get the EVH sound, but a lot of them just did it wrong and focused on preamp distortion more power amp distortion, so modern tone has turned into a sterile mess. Of course, you had the thrashers who just wanted teh HEVIEES, so I guess that added a little bit of seasoning to the EVH tone.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:09 PM   #29
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"Modern" is bassy, compressed, high gain, and tight. From what I've heard.


Yes^ +low mids. Also seems like modern has a lot more harmonizing than classic
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:23 PM   #30
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:36 PM   #31
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I guess part of the reason I think it is interesting is because a lot us (me included) will say things like.... 'That amp can't do modern metal - so don't look at that one'.

Well......why? Why can't it?
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:37 PM   #32
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i think of lamb of god and children of bodom mostly, maybe killswitch engage. log and cob have that high mid sound. i know alexi is due to his preamp. but log have some of my favorite tones.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:41 PM   #33
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i think of lamb of god and children of bodom mostly, maybe killswitch engage. log and cob have that high mid sound. i know alexi is due to his preamp. but log have some of my favorite tones.

I agree with Lamb of God. Their tone on Resolution is badaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss

I don't know why, but Children of Bodom's tone sounds classic. It's not as compressed, gated, or clean/post-effected as other mod-metal bands IMO.
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I agree with Lamb of God. Their tone on Resolution is badaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss

I don't know why, but Children of Bodom's tone sounds classic. It's not as compressed, gated, or clean/post-effected as other mod-metal bands IMO.


Well COB has been around since before the metal core thing got big, but after most other death metal bands had died down, so Alexi kind had his own thing going on. And he is a self acclaimed hair metal fanboy
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Children of Bodom is kind of in their own category. They combine metalcore with techno and hair metal.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:42 PM   #36
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I think the term "modern" gets derived from the character of the distortion. Tones we associate with being modern can have all sorts of different EQ flavors, but the character of the distortion seems to be what is more commonly similar from one to another.

To achieve that distortion character does in fact entail a specific approach to the circuit design FWIW.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:59 PM   #37
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Children of Bodom is kind of in their own category. They combine metalcore with techno and hair metal.



Eh, I wouldn't say I here too much metalcore in their sound. During the Hatecrew and Are you dead yet years they definitely had a more chunky vibe to it similar to a lot of melodic death metal bands that were big at the time like scar symmetry, but metalcore I think is a stretch. Bloodrunk is very thrashy. And RRF is more a return to form IMO, more like classic stuff like follow the reaper (my favorite album). As far as techno, I can kinda see it, because of the keyboards, but that is more an artifact of their black metal influence I think, they just needed a way to make it fit in there music as it progressed, but I will agree it is very techno at times. Hair metal presence is definitely strong, especially on the solos. Sorry, I didn't mean to call you out or anything, just offering my opinion on this. COB is pretty much my favorite band ever, so I get very caught up discussing them

Edit: I loved the brigand demo craig, and it was because it was very modern sounding but at the same time retained a lot of the classic vibe that I love. Idk if you intended for that to happen, but that's how I interpreted it.
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Eh, I wouldn't say I here too much metalcore in their sound. During the Hatecrew and Are you dead yet years they definitely had a more chunky vibe to it similar to a lot of melodic death metal bands that were big at the time like scar symmetry, but metalcore I think is a stretch. Bloodrunk is very thrashy. And RRF is more a return to form IMO, more like classic stuff like follow the reaper (my favorite album). As far as techno, I can kinda see it, because of the keyboards, but that is more an artifact of their black metal influence I think, they just needed a way to make it fit in there music as it progressed, but I will agree it is very techno at times. Hair metal presence is definitely strong, especially on the solos. Sorry, I didn't mean to call you out or anything, just offering my opinion on this. COB is pretty much my favorite band ever, so I get very caught up discussing them

Edit: I loved the brigand demo craig, and it was because it was very modern sounding but at the same time retained a lot of the classic vibe that I love. Idk if you intended for that to happen, but that's how I interpreted it.

I taste a hint of metalcore... I think I hear it a little bit in Lake Bodom and If You Want Peace... Prepare For War

And of course, they do have a major pop influence with songs like "Oops I Did It Again"
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Eh, I wouldn't say I here too much metalcore in their sound. During the Hatecrew and Are you dead yet years they definitely had a more chunky vibe to it similar to a lot of melodic death metal bands that were big at the time like scar symmetry, but metalcore I think is a stretch. Bloodrunk is very thrashy. And RRF is more a return to form IMO, more like classic stuff like follow the reaper (my favorite album). As far as techno, I can kinda see it, because of the keyboards, but that is more an artifact of their black metal influence I think, they just needed a way to make it fit in there music as it progressed, but I will agree it is very techno at times. Hair metal presence is definitely strong, especially on the solos. Sorry, I didn't mean to call you out or anything, just offering my opinion on this. COB is pretty much my favorite band ever, so I get very caught up discussing them

Edit: I loved the brigand demo craig, and it was because it was very modern sounding but at the same time retained a lot of the classic vibe that I love. Idk if you intended for that to happen, but that's how I interpreted it.


they are one of my favorites also. along with lamb of god and a bunch of other metal bands from diff genres.
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Thanks Craig. That is what my opinion is. I realize post production and multi-tracking etc play a part too. I think it is pertinent to this forum in particular because metal seems to be the number one genre and people looking for new amps typically play metal BUT.....have a lower budget than say Rig-Talk.

Lower budget usually means what?

*Simpler circuit
*lower wattage
*smaller transformers
*corners cut

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In other words, if I have the right circuit can I still get modern metal out of the amp if it is 5 watts? 20 watts? $400 new?

Can I get a compressed, thick, tight, bass heavy tone with a low watt low budget amp?
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