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Old 07-23-2012, 05:32 PM   #21
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yea. i had to empty my cache like 5 times an hour just to watch prison break, man, it was horrible
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:38 PM   #22
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Nope, because I think it's wrong to say that people can't make money off their music (which is pretty much what music piracy does) and the corporations aren't as evil as everyone claims they are. They were in the 80's with the 360 deal, but the bands get paid by the label no matter how the album sells by and are pretty well treated, yes there can be some admin issues, but there is with any kind of industry ever. All that music piracy does is mean that the label wont sink as much money into the band next time because they didn't sell well enough, or even worse they get dropped from the label and can't afford to pay for studio time on their own.

Music piracy is done in the name of the artist, but it's the artist who gets screwed over.

On the other hand, yes, I do, because everyone seems to want to justify getting something for free and technically I can't tell people how to think... but at the same time I do question whether some pirates actually do think at all. I've met very smart pirates who justify their piracy via philosophy, which while I don't like it, I can't really say their life view is "wrong" per say.

And to reiterate... I'm not for web censorship. I'm not anti-pirate bay and I was anti-SOPA/ACTA. I'm anti-music piracy, in my mind it's very hard to justify

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:40 PM   #23
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:42 PM   #24
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To give an arguement against the whole 'music is art and should therefore be free' bullcrap...

The Night Watch by Rembrandt is one of the most world famous, if not THE most world famous painting we have here in Amsterdam. It's enormous, being 363 cm × 437 cm and still being very detailed, it's really a sight to be held from both close up, and from a distance.

It's commision cost the guild 1600 guilders (back in 1639, a ****ton of money) and took four years to complete.

Another, or actually a collection of examples: pretty much every single famous renaissance painter was paid a good amount of money for their work.

One might argue that this was all in the past, and that there's no need anymore for paid art. Well, there's an easy answer: maintenance. Any damage must be carefully repaired or prevented by the use of high-tech facilitation, like moisture regulators to prevent degredation and very skilled craftsmanship whenever something needs to be repaired back to its original state (a very time-consuming (and therefore costly) process). The Night Watch still needs its maintenance every now and then, even though it was finished 370 years ago !

There you have it: why art cannot be free, and why music cannot be seen the same way as paintings, sculptures, etc.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:43 PM   #25
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yea. i had to empty my cache like 5 times an hour just to watch prison break, man, it was horrible


They used to have a video watch limit, where you were only allowed to watch like 3-4 videos or something. Then they had an ingenious idea to give you a 45 min time limit.
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Nope, because I think it's wrong to say that people can't make money off their music (which is pretty much what music piracy does) and the corporations aren't as evil as everyone claims they are. They were in the 80's with the 360 deal, but the bands get paid by the label no matter how the album sells by and are pretty well treated, yes there can be some admin issues, but there is with any kind of industry ever. All that music piracy does is mean that the label wont sink as much money into the band next time because they didn't sell well enough, or even worse they get dropped from the label and can't afford to pay for studio time on their own.

Music piracy is done in the name of the artist, but it's the artist who gets screwed over.

On the other hand, yes, I do, because everyone seems to want to justify getting something for free and technically I can't tell people how to think... but at the same time I do question whether some pirates actually do think at all. I've met very smart pirates who justify their piracy via philosophy, which while I don't like it, I can't really say their life view is "wrong" per say.

And to reiterate... I'm not for web censorship. I'm not anti-pirate bay and I was anti-SOPA/ACTA. I'm anti-music piracy, in my mind it's very hard to justify

I pirate because it isn't feasible to buy music you're unsure of every time a song seems interesting. If given the chance I'll see a show, buy a shirt, and buy the next album. With how music is priced, I can't buy every album I'd like. If I had no intention of buying it for lack of funds, pirating it doesn't affect them negatively. If I like them then I'll support them another way eventually.

I can see why you hold that stance though.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:48 PM   #27
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I pirate because it isn't feasible to buy music you're unsure of every time a song seems interesting.


I hear this one a lot, but you have so many ways of streaming music legally these days it's kinda lost is power in the music piracy argument.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:49 PM   #28
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They hide under a veil of "hurhur it's our human right to do this" despite the fact that they are breaking the law in every nation.

No, they aren't. This is why they're still "alive".
The fact that they're based in Sweden has a lot to do with it. The companies can't get their site taken down just because what they do might be illegal in the US. It would be the same as Zimbabwe suddenly outlawing the existence of websites and then trying to take Google down.

The laws regarding the issue are outdated, and so are the morons in the courts attempting to shut TBP down, having the computer proficiency of middle-aged housewives.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:34 PM   #29
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:10 PM   #30
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And to reiterate... I'm not for web censorship. I'm not anti-pirate bay and I was anti-SOPA/ACTA. I'm anti-music piracy, in my mind it's very hard to justify


Well that's totally respectable.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:20 PM   #31
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It's entertaining to hear the Pit-goers try and rationalize downloading music that they didn't pay for.

Oh wait, I mean it's idiotic.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:28 PM   #32
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I am 100% with ChemicalFire on this. Music is part of humanity? lol
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:30 PM   #33
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They used to have a video watch limit, where you were only allowed to watch like 3-4 videos or something. Then they had an ingenious idea to give you a 45 min time limit.

more like 45 min gay time limit
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:45 PM   #34
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is it Piratebay that has a Pirate Party MP (or equivalent) in the Swedish Parliament (or equivalent) and were looking to use the parliamentary privilege thing (or equivalent) to host a server that can't be touched?
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #35
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- Their servers are not based in the US
- Entertainment industry has weak lobbying power outside the US.
- The nature of P2P makes it hard to bring a case against them in euro courts


Strong this, anyone can get some pull with a strong lobby, but the entertainment industry is not AIPAC.

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I hear this one a lot, but you have so many ways of streaming music legally these days it's kinda lost is power in the music piracy argument.


If you support streams then I must say that just about everything I download comes out of stream captures, if you want to stop that you will have to take my computer away.
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I hear this one a lot, but you have so many ways of streaming music legally these days it's kinda lost is power in the music piracy argument.

I don't see why stuff like streaming is fine but pirating is not. People upload whole albums to Youtube, etc. The difference is that you can take it with you versus being tethered to the internet. I guess and artist would choose to stream it but I just don't see the big difference. Both are listening to music you didn't pay for, but did not take away revenue. One is on your computer and one is online.
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I don't see why stuff like streaming is fine but pirating is not. People upload whole albums to Youtube, etc. The difference is that you can take it with you versus being tethered to the internet. I guess and artist would choose to stream it but I just don't see the big difference. Both are listening to music you didn't pay for, but did not take away revenue. One is on your computer and one is online.


You see, that's why I'm fine with it, that and the quality is often a bit crap. So if you if you've decided you like the music you buy the album after that point. I always use the analogy of a "trial version" or a "demo" it's technically all there and all the features are on display, but if you want the real deal then you buy it.
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