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Old 08-25-2012, 10:31 AM   #81
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So why wasn't apple sued when they first made the ipod? Nothing about their products were original....
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:33 AM   #82
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So why wasn't apple sued when they first made the ipod? Nothing about their products were original....

Because no one got it right before them? There's being original, then there's being compelling.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:33 AM   #83
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Wait, doesn't samsung supply apple with touchscreens and shit?

They supply them with various things ,yes.

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Nope. Sorry, Android sucks. Shitty app market and glaring security flaws and Flash and shitty program management/background management. It also highlights the disadvantages of open systems when you chart how fragmented the market is based on which version of Android individual devices are using.


Common misconceptions, none which are true or applicable in the real world.

Apple is pretty much a dumbed down version of a Smartphone OS. You can't do shit, they won't let you do shit, you don't have widgets, you just have the soulless app screens and icons. You can't customize anything, that's what Apple wants because the users are the kind of people who breaks everything if they do. Same reason why some prefer Apple OS over windows: Some people need the training wheels on.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:38 AM   #84
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Common misconceptions, none which are true or applicable in the real world.

I've had an HTC before, that's all based on real time use. Flash is not a "misconception". It's touted as an advantage when in reality it really is a shitty plugin for mobile devices. Adobe's own decision to finally phase out flash in Android just goes to show that it in fact doesn't work.

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Apple is pretty much a dumbed down version of a Smartphone OS. You can't do shit, they won't let you do shit, you don't have widgets, you just have the soulless app screens and icons. You can't customize anything, that's what Apple wants because the users are the kind of people who breaks everything if they do. Same reason why some prefer Apple OS over windows: Some people need the training wheels on.

I like how you assume customization is automatically a good thing. Guess what, not everyone, even "geeks", give a shit or have the time to change the theme of the week. Apparently even many in the high tech industries love having training wheels on.
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They supply them with various things ,yes.



Common misconceptions, none which are true or applicable in the real world.

Apple is pretty much a dumbed down version of a Smartphone OS. You can't do shit, they won't let you do shit, you don't have widgets, you just have the soulless app screens and icons. You can't customize anything, that's what Apple wants because the users are the kind of people who breaks everything if they do. Same reason why some prefer Apple OS over windows: Some people need the training wheels on.


So then how does this billion dollar settlement affect that relationship between apple and samsung?

Sorry if sound a bit stoopeed but I'm as dumb as a door when it comes to this kind of stuff.
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I like how you assume customization is automatically a good thing. Guess what, not everyone, even "geeks", give a shit or have the time to change the theme of the week. Apparently even many in the high tech industries love having training wheels on.

I'd rather have the ability to customize and not use it, than not have it at all. That's why it's a good thing. And I don't mean just the superificial things like "themes" which are apple fans #1 concern apparently.

But hey, whatever you need to say to justify your $100000+ purchase

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So then how does this billion dollar settlement affect that relationship between apple and samsung?

Sorry if sound a bit stoopeed but I'm as dumb as a door when it comes to this kind of stuff.


I don't really know, I think it's pretty strange. But both of them depend on eachother
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:43 AM   #87
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I'd rather have the ability to customize and not use it, than not have it at all. That's why it's a good thing.

Yes, YOU would. Many people don't to that extent. The fact that you don't see that just shows how little you know about tech and tech design.


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So then how does this billion dollar settlement affect that relationship between apple and samsung?

Probably nothing. The back-end hardware manufacturing division is almost a separate entity.
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Yes, YOU would. Many people don't to that extent. The fact that you don't see that just shows how little you know about tech and tech design.

Yeah alright buddy, I'm the only one who needs the ability to be able to change things if needed. Let's say that. That's how the innovative tech industry works: Only few people need to have an open-ended approach in tech and tech design which focuses on change and innovation
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Yes, YOU would. Many people don't to that extent. The fact that you don't see that just shows how little you know about tech and tech design.



Probably nothing. The back-end hardware manufacturing division is almost a separate entity.

Many people DO care about customization, that's why you see cars looking like shit due to excessive bumper stickers, shitty profile themes when Myspace was a thing, and millions of idiots downloading malware because it offers them Facebook themes and screensavers and other crap
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Yes, YOU would. Many people don't to that extent. The fact that you don't see that just shows how little you know about tech and tech design.



Probably nothing. The back-end hardware manufacturing division is almost a separate entity.

TBH, that's more a marketing issue than a design issue.
I'd certainly argue that having customisability built in is a good thing from the developer's perspective, too, since it means you're building the tools to adapt and reuse software in from the very start.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #91
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Yeah alright buddy, I'm the only one who needs the ability to be able to change things if needed. Let's say that. That's how the innovative tech industry works: Only few people need to have an open-ended approach in tech and tech design which focuses on change and innovation

So you're equating open systems with change and innovation? I feel sorry for you.

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Many people DO care about customization, that's why you see cars looking like shit due to excessive bumper stickers, shitty profile themes when Myspace was a thing, and millions of idiots downloading malware because it offers them Facebook themes and screensavers and other crap

Exactly. Is Facebook customizable?

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TBH, that's more a marketing issue than a design issue.
I'd certainly argue that having customisability built in is a good thing from the developer's perspective, too, since it means you're building the tools to adapt and reuse software in from the very start.

That has nothing to do with the front end of customization. The openness of the Android market also means no standard of quality or security in place.
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So you're equating open systems with change and innovation? I feel sorry for you.


Exactly. Is Facebook customizable?

No, but in case you didn't notice, I specifically said millions of people TRY to customize it. Yeesh.
Also, if people don't care about customization, then why do phone cases sell by the millions? Or ringtones? Why is almost everyone's desktop background different?
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So you're equating open systems with change and innovation? I feel sorry for you.

Conincidentally I'm transcribing interviews from various high-up bosses in Sweden and other places talking about innovation, and this comes up quite often. The fewer restraints, the more innovation. That should be obvious.

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That has nothing to do with the front end of customization. The openness of the Android market also means no standard of quality or security in place.

I think Apple fans imagine google market as some mine field with everyother app being malware. It's obviously not the case...
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No, but in case you didn't notice, I specifically said millions of people TRY to customize it. Yeesh.
Yes, I was trying to lead you to the logical conclusion: Because so many people aren't equipped to make sensible customizations (like the shitty MySpace pages), a company like Facebook saw the benefit of having a closed system.

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That's not the kind of customization we're talking about here. Android is essentially easier to jailbreak. That's not mere changing the OS settings, which would be exactly the same on either OS.
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Conincidentally I'm transcribing interviews from various high-up bosses in Sweden and other places talking about innovation, and this comes up quite often. The fewer restraints, the more innovation. That should be obvious.
Because Microsoft is doing so well right?


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It's not, but there's not an effective filtering system with many negative implications. Try to not oversimplify everything such as "training wheels."

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Someone is mad they spent hundreds on an iphone and can't do shit on it

I have a Samsung
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So you're equating open systems with change and innovation? I feel sorry for you.


Exactly. Is Facebook customizable?


That has nothing to do with the front end of customization. The openness of the Android market also means no standard of quality or security in place.

BTW, it's insanely easy to secure a smartphone
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Because Microsoft is doing so well right?


They are, but if you're comparing market value then you are seriously oversimplyfying things. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it's superior. Jack Daniel's for example is the most sold "whiskey" in the world, but I wouldn't drink that over 18-year-old highland park. There are more factors than that.

Seems you missed my point about open-ended work environments... I don't see how closing the possibilities can ever be a good thing...

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It's not, but there's not an effective filtering system with many negative implications. Try to not oversimplify everything such as "training wheels."


I don't even know what filter they are using, I just have never had or heard of anyone with the problems of malware apps.
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They are, but if you're comparing market value then you are seriously oversimplyfying things. Just because something sells well doesn't mean it's superior. Jack Daniel's for example is the most sold "whiskey" in the world, but I wouldn't drink that over 18-year-old highland park. There are more factors than that.

Seems you missed my point about open-ended work environments... I don't see how closing the possibilities can ever be a good thing...



I don't even know what filter they are using, I just have never had or heard of anyone with the problems of malware apps.

Kensai, look at it this way.
We could automate cars for all the ******s and drunk-drivers out there, because it would make them safer overall; but still have human-controlled F1 cars for the cool kids.
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Seems you missed my point about open-ended work environments... I don't see how closing the possibilities can ever be a good thing...
Seems like you don't know how "innovation" works. It has nothing to do with front end open-endedness.

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http://techland.time.com/2011/12/02...mobile-malware/
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