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Old 11-24-2012, 01:13 PM   #1
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Pot Peavey Triple XXX?

So this holiday season I decided to upgrade from a Marshall MG100HDFX *laughs*.... To a Peavey Triple XXX head. The only unfortunate thing is that I didn't have the cash to buy a cab, so after I finally get the amp, I'm gonna be stuck with a crappy MG cab. I was wondering what cab should go with it, A Mesa Rectifier 2x12? Preferably a 2x12 with V30s.

Also, since this amp has loads of gain and I'm going to boost it for a tighter sound, I was wondering what tubes I should get to swap out. Since the amp has more than enough gain... I was thinking some lower gain tubes would "tame" the gain. Any suggestions?
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:28 PM   #2
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For a tube that will help lower gain but keep good articulation try a NOS 5751 (JAN-Philips, JAN-GE) or try the new JJ 5751 or JJecc803 in V1 and PI positions. Regular JJ ecc83 in the rest.

A 2x12 recto cab will work just fine when you have the money. If you want a 4x12 the Line 6 SV 4x12 can be had for $300ish used and has V30's in it.

I have the Bugera 333 (XXX clone) and It is a pretty versitile amp, but I never use the Lead/ultra ch because the crunch ch has plenty of gain especially when you boost it.

You may want to try JJ KT77's in the power section they sound really nice in that amp.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:58 PM   #3
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Mesa, Orange, Avatar... take your pic, they're all pretty much the same. If you find a good deal on Craigslist you can get one for like $350.

Cath is the tube expert, but from what I've read, I believe you'll want a JJ ECC803 in the V1 and possibly the V2, and then JJ ECC83 everywhere else.

As for the power section, JJ 6L6GC is quick and easy, or if you have some cash to drop SED =C=.

EDIT ^ Not sure if the XXX can take EL34/KT77 stock. It ships with 6L6s for sure.
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I concur. JJ ECC803 in V1, JJ ECC83S everywhere else, possibly a Phillips 5751 in the phase inverter. If you still feel the need to tame the gain maybe a 5751 or even a JJ 12AT7 in V2. But I'd try the ECC803/ECC83S combination first. With the increased quality of sound you may find you won't have to tame anything.
In the power amp SED =C= if you can afford them, JJ if you can't. I'd probably just go with 6L6GC's.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:07 PM   #5
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The XXX is EL34 or 6l6 based you just flip the switch on the chassis.

I have a set of KT77's in my Bugera 333 and it sounds mean as hell.
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Haven't had a lot to do with KT77's. I've got amps with EL84, EL34, KT66, 6L6 and 6V6 but no KT77's.
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Haven't had a lot to do with KT77's. I've got amps with EL84, EL34, KT66, 6L6 and 6V6 but no KT77's.

I'll swap you a set of matched =C= EL34's for a diecent pedal (delay preferably) I have a set of 3 after 1 blew so I got a new set of =C='s and now I have 3 lonely tubes. 1 is going in the Peavey Windsor studio I just bought, so i have 2 matched just being lonely.........
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I should have some Timmies in the coming weeks. Do you need a Timmy? Well, it will be Jimmy - no mode switch, just permanently on the middle position.
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I still really want to put KT77s in my JSX. Just haven't seen any good deals or anything lately.
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I should have some Timmies in the coming weeks. Do you need a Timmy? Well, it will be Jimmy - no mode switch, just permanently on the middle position.

You know I have been wanting to try a Timmy to see what all the hype is about. PM me and we'll talk
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You'll see it in WTLT when I make them. Wait until I have something to offer.

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You'll see it. It will be my first venture into the world of arty etching so I'll certainly be showing you guys how it progresses. You've already seen the artwork and the boards I am using are the ones Matt designed that I had printed up by seeed.
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For a tube that will help lower gain but keep good articulation try a NOS 5751 (JAN-Philips, JAN-GE) or try the new JJ 5751 or JJecc803 in V1 and PI positions. Regular JJ ecc83 in the rest.

A 2x12 recto cab will work just fine when you have the money. If you want a 4x12 the Line 6 SV 4x12 can be had for $300ish used and has V30's in it.

I have the Bugera 333 (XXX clone) and It is a pretty versitile amp, but I never use the Lead/ultra ch because the crunch ch has plenty of gain especially when you boost it.

You may want to try JJ KT77's in the power section they sound really nice in that amp.

Thanks for your help man, and everyone else's. I don't know if you know this, but from what I've heard, the Triple XXX has a "fizzy" tone. Would the tubes you suggested, or anyone else's, reduce gain and fizziness and still have clarity? I'm also gonna be boosting the Crunch/Rhythm channel.
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The XXX is Peaveys take on the Mesa Triple recto tone. Not a great representation, but good in its own right. JJ tubes are really good for the price, my 333 has all JJ ecc83's in the preamp, except V2 witch is an EH 12ax7 and it isn't what I would call fizzy at all. A little noisy but not fizzy, and a noise gate will take care of the noise no worries. You may want to get a JJ ecc803 for V1, because it will nock the fizz down alot.

The ultra ch is just too compressed for me it sounds like every note is blended and the deffinition isn't there. the crunch ch however has pretty good note deffinition.
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The XXX is Peaveys take on the Mesa Triple recto tone. Not a great representation, but good in its own right. JJ tubes are really good for the price, my 333 has all JJ ecc83's in the preamp, except V2 witch is an EH 12ax7 and it isn't what I would call fizzy at all. A little noisy but not fizzy, and a noise gate will take care of the noise no worries. You may want to get a JJ ecc803 for V1, because it will nock the fizz down alot.

The ultra ch is just too compressed for me it sounds like every note is blended and the deffinition isn't there. the crunch ch however has pretty good note deffinition.


Well, I've never owned a tube amp before so I'm a bit confused on the tubes. So there are power section tubes and preamp tubes? Do they use the same size tube or are they different? Sorry if this is a dumb question but you gotta learn somehow.
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Well, I've never owned a tube amp before so I'm a bit confused on the tubes. So there are power section tubes and preamp tubes? Do they use the same size tube or are they different? Sorry if this is a dumb question but you gotta learn somehow.

Not a stupid question, you gotta learn sometime.

The power tubes are the big tubes in the back of the amp. The XXX uses 6L6 tubes for the power section from the factory, but there is a little switch right next to the power tubes that will alow you to use EL34 type tubes if you want to go that route.

6L6 tubes are what you typically find in american style amps like Fender, Mesa Boogie and EL34 tubes are generally used in amps like Marshall, Orange ("british " style amps)

The pre-amp section uses all the same type of tubes 12ax7/ecc83. These are the same tubes, but in the US they refer to them as 12ax7 europe is ecc83.

You can change the pre-amp tubes very easy, but if you change the power tubes you will need to have the amp properly biased to get the best tone/longevity out of them.

All of the tubes will affect your general tone from your amp. But the pre-amp tubes have the biggest impact.
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Not a stupid question, you gotta learn sometime.

The power tubes are the big tubes in the back of the amp. The XXX uses 6L6 tubes for the power section from the factory, but there is a little switch right next to the power tubes that will alow you to use EL34 type tubes if you want to go that route.

6L6 tubes are what you typically find in american style amps like Fender, Mesa Boogie and EL34 tubes are generally used in amps like Marshall, Orange ("british " style amps)

The pre-amp section uses all the same type of tubes 12ax7/ecc83. These are the same tubes, but in the US they refer to them as 12ax7 europe is ecc83.

You can change the pre-amp tubes very easy, but if you change the power tubes you will need to have the amp properly biased to get the best tone/longevity out of them.

All of the tubes will affect your general tone from your amp. But the pre-amp tubes have the biggest impact.


How much money would it cost at GC to change the tubes and bias the amp? I live in the US btw. Also, should I just change the preamp tubes myself and let someone else do the power tubes? Or is it costly and should just figure out how to bias and change the tubes myself? Or... Haha... Is it something that would be recommended if someone else does the job? Thanks man
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Don't let GC touch your amp. They don't even fix the they outsorce the work so you really will pay more than having a qualified tech do it.

I have started doing all my own tube swaps in the last few yrs. It is not hard, but you do need to be very aware when your inside the amp.

I got a bias probe from www.eurotubes.com ($25ish)and it is great, very easy to use and a cheap multi meter ($10ish) and they even have tutorial videos on the JSX which the XXX is a cousin to. So you would follow that video exactly. I also buy tubes from them and they are packed good and shiped very fast.

Preamp tubes are just plug and play. You do not bias the pre-amp. I do recomend that you get some Deoxit or other electronics contact cleaner ($10-$20 radio shack has it)

If you take it to a tech to have them change all the tubes and bias it you will mostlikely pay $100ish plus the cost of the tubes $120ish for your amp. Or you can spend $50ish on tolls you can re-use and possibly make a few bucks when your buddys need it done also.
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