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Old 09-05-2012, 11:34 PM   #1
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Question Buying first amp.. Why not Spider IV?

Hey peoples. I am looking for my first amp that isn't a 15watt learning amp.

This is my guitar. Stock(Dirty Fingers pickups). .11-.50 gauge strings(will these make a big difference? I like having the thicker strings)

I am a novice guitarist. I can fully play around 14 full length songs and too many intros and mini-songs. I mostly play acoustic since I don't really have an amp.

The style of sound I am looking for is from Linkin Park(Hybrid Theory)/Brand New(Your Favorite Weapon) to Senses Fail(All albums)/Escape the Fate(all albums)

What amp do you recommend? I am looking for 75watt+ and between 200-500CAD. I was going to purchase the Line 6 Spider IV 75 but reading here those things are apparently garbage, opposing the reviews of all sites.

Obviously in the future I am looking to make a pedal board, if you would like to recommend some "must haves" that would be great.

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Old 09-05-2012, 11:36 PM   #2
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Let me count the ways..

The Spider isn't as bad as people make out but for how much it costs it's a big ripoff considering what you can get used.

For that amount you could probably pick up a used Peavey XXX combo which will absolutely slay a Spider. See also used JCA50 combo
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:40 PM   #3
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There are better modelers. Why not check out the Peavey Vypyr tube?
Seeing as its your first amp and the styles you play might change down the line
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:41 PM   #4
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There are better modelers. Why not check out the Peavey Vypyr tube?
Seeing as its your first amp and the styles you play might change down the line

Yeah for flat out versatility it's hard to go past a tube Vypyr
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:45 PM   #5
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Well, many of the reviews you read are either: planted by Line 6 or by other companies/bloggers/etc paid by Line 6 to do so, or by individuals who have only owned the amp for a month or two. The Spider IV seems like it's really nice at first, but the more you use it, the more lackluster it becomes until eventually, you hate it. Also, a comparable amp line, the Peavey Vypyr and Vypyr Tube series, is generally regarded to be far superior to the Spider series, and they are roughly the same price. The Vox Valvetronix is another line of modelling amps that are considered better than Spiders as well.

Amps to look into:
Vox Valvetronix
Peavey Vypyr (preferrably tube)
Line 6 Flextone (much better than the Spider)

I don't know of many tube amps in your price range that really nail the tones your looking to get, but other uses will probably be able to recommend some.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:47 PM   #6
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You guys mention Vypyr. How about Mustang? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ampl...uitar-combo-amp

Unfortunately none of the amps suggested to buy used are on the local kijiji =\

EDIT: Thank you everyone for the suggestions so far. Looking into them all. Are there any brands to avoid? I read Peavey has QA issues but great warranty to counteract.

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Old 09-05-2012, 11:56 PM   #7
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The mustang is a great choice too, but with what you described the Vypyr might be better for you, especially if you could get one with the control pedal or Sanpera

as for avoiding, two words:

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Old 09-06-2012, 12:01 AM   #8
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I personally love my Mustang amp, but it's the Mustang I. I can't speak for the bigger ones.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:04 AM   #9
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Also, the Roland Cube 30x is a really awesome modeling amp.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:09 AM   #10
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Cool beans. Definitely have been recommended my whole life to stick with Peavey/Marshall amps.

If I were to spend an extra $150 on say.. Peavey 6505 Plus 60W Tube would that be worth it? Or put that money towards the pedal board and Vyper Tube.

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Also, the Roland Cube 30x is a really awesome modeling amp.

I've been eyeballing Roland's for a long time. For some reason I can't find them locally in Alberta, Canada though... ='(

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Old 09-06-2012, 12:17 AM   #11
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Line 6 is good for a first amp. I personally love fender blues jr though.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:17 AM   #12
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Cool beans. Definitely have been recommended my whole life to stick with Peavey/Marshall amps.

If I were to spend an extra $150 on say.. Peavey 6505 Plus 60W Tube would that be worth it? Or put that money towards the pedal board and Vyper Tube.

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I've been eyeballing Roland's for a long time. For some reason I can't find them locally in Alberta, Canada though... ='(

That's a nice amp but not very versatile I would recommend a used Peavey XXX combo or JCA50 combo for the bands you've listed if you wanna go all tube, otherwise the tube Vypyr
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:32 AM   #13
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Going to go with the Peavey Vypyr 100 or Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube depending on how the testing goes at the stores. Then I will purchase a Sanpera II 2 weeks later.

Unless you guys can change my mind lol.

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Old 09-06-2012, 12:36 AM   #14
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Really you should just go for the 30 tube, thats plenty loud. Grab the Sanpera II with it.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:38 AM   #15
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peavey 5150's through 6505's do heavy metal with generally rather bad cleans. not bad if you're playing almost nothing but metal, but not fantastic otherwise. Still better than a spider, mind you.

out of all the modellers you could get, the vypyr would be the best, particularly the tube 60. I've heard nothing but good things about it, though I've not played them myself.

If you've got the budget to go for a used tube amp as your first amp, go for it. You might not be able to hear the subtleties of the sound now, but as you go your ears will adjust, and you'll learn to hear the depth and timbre your amp will make. As such, that's why people grow dissatisfied with their spiders and mg's over time.

Oh and unless you're playing very large gigs with no PA system and the drummer from hell, you won't need more than 30-50 watts tube. 100 watts is generally more for bragging rights, headroom, and/or other features included.

As for pedals and such, I wouldn't complicate your tone too much at the moment. grab an amp, start saving for basic pedals, or even a small multi fx to get your head around what you're looking for - things like reverb, chorus and delay, perhaps an overdrive for a boost or bit more dirt on a clean channel for example.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:45 AM   #16
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Awesome explanation for the wattage, definitely would love to save money.

However I can't find a 30W Tube. Just normal 30W. Still would satisfy my needs?

I don't plan on gigging anytime soon due to lack of a band/skill :p(will be away from home 10 days at a time and only home 4)
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:48 AM   #17
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my mistake.
I thought they came in flavors of 30 and 60, not 30 and 120.
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my mistake.
I thought they came in flavors of 30 and 60, not 30 and 120.

You would think.

Why tube? Googling tube vs solid state is getting me results that are over 3 years old.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:57 AM   #19
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Googling tube vs solid state will find more bs spoken than probably any other subject short of politics. But let me put it this way - tubes vanished from every sphere of electronics apart from guitar amps and a few specialised esoteric purposes. There's a reason for that and that reason isn't that guitarists are all morons.
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i actually find many younger/beginner guitarists like the sound of the spider. eventually when their ear develops or they start playing with other people is when the problems start.
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