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Old 09-19-2012, 09:27 PM   #1
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Covering holes in my theory

Hello everyone! I've been lurking the forums for a while now, and have become aware how much I have yet to learn.

I've been playing guitar for about 9 or 10 years, although all this time I have been learning by myself. As a result, althoug my dexterity with the instrument is pretty good, I understand I have a lot of holes in my theory, and since I never had a teacher, I'm clueless as to where to start.

The music I listen to/play is mainly blues-rock, metal, prog metal and prog rock. I am familiar with pentatonics, major scale, modes (although not sure how they can be used), harmonics, finding notes in the fretboard, guitar technique in general and some chord construction (as in reading Am7 and actually knowing how to play it).

I know that I can learn scales, modes etc. here and in any other websites, but I am clueless as to when and where I should be using these apart from the obvious soloing.

So now I leave myself in your hands, and hope I can get help.

Thanks in advance
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:01 PM   #2
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Let's see, where to start... I myself have been playing roughly the same amount of time and have been self taught for the better part of it so I know exactly where you're coming from.

The first hole that I see right off the bat from your post is the thing about scales. Try not to think of scales as the notes you should play instead think of them as more like the alphabet. They are all of the notes that you can use to form your musical phrases. But just because a particular note isn't found in a certain scale doesn't mean that you can't use it. I mean just because I primarily speak English doesn't mean that I can't suddenly interject a word from another language does it? ┐Comprende? Doesn't change the fact that I speak English. Same with scales and keys, that's why we around here push the fact that all you really need to know are major and minor scales to deal with most all music out today.

Look thru the faq sticky at the top of the forum for some good stuff to get started with and especially the one with links to sites on music theory. Or if you prefer books as opposed to reading online then have a look at this:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...mmended+reading
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:03 PM   #3
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I know that I can learn scales, modes etc. here and in any other websites, but I am clueless as to when and where I should be using these apart from the obvious soloing.

I can patch that hole up for you right now: you don't use scales or modes, ever.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:25 AM   #4
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I can patch that hole up for you right now: you don't use scales or modes, ever.


You mean, play a solo by ear? Well yes, at the end, its the most important thing, but it does have to come from somewhere, what i have found useful is combining minor and major pentatonic of the same base note.
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You mean, play a solo by ear? Well yes, at the end, its the most important thing, but it does have to come from somewhere, what i have found useful is combining minor and major pentatonic of the same base note.
It comes from an understanding of melodic language, not from scales or blind "ear".
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:00 AM   #6
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I know that I can learn scales, modes etc. here and in any other websites, but I am clueless as to when and where I should be using these apart from the obvious soloing.


Learning scales is useful for one thing: Playing scales.
Modes are scales so they're also useful for one thing: Playing scales.

So if you want to play a lot of scales and you're not bothered about rhythmic or melodic interest why then learn and practice scales.

Solos OTOH are about expressive, musical playing. Sure solos might have bits of scales in them but they don't consist of just playing a scale.

If you're lacking basic co-ordination scales might help, but then so would a ton of other exercises some of which might actually be music. So you could learn scales (and play scales forevermore), or learn music and play that instead.


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but it does have to come from somewhere


Record a chord progression. Any progression. Play that progression back and sing whatever notes come into your head. Now play those notes on the guitar.

That's what a solo is. It's you singing via your guitar.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:41 PM   #7
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Record a chord progression. Any progression. Play that progression back and sing whatever notes come into your head. Now play those notes on the guitar.

That's what a solo is. It's you singing via your guitar.


I did watch a video on UG about composing solos from vocal lines... I guess its practice and knowing the modes and scales that will be the vehicle to lead me to the sound im singing in my head....

Anyway, apart from soloing, I was hoping someone would give me some tips on what should be the bases any decent musician should cover in order to be... decent i guess.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:49 PM   #8
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you're not trying to "cover your holes"

that's just a lackadaisical way of saying "i want to invest just enough to get by"
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you're not trying to "cover your holes"

that's just a lackadaisical way of saying "i want to invest just enough to get by"


I dont mean to sound mediocre... I do want to better myself.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:02 AM   #10
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I think you should do some ear training and and learn some counterpoint. If you can't already learn to read music to some degree. Screw the modes!
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I dont mean to sound mediocre... I do want to better myself.


Can you listen to a song and identify the key it is in? Can you harmonise scales to create chords?
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:18 AM   #13
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imo the scales you have learned have their place.... I would move to the next level by working out how those scales are used to construct chords.... and therefore learning about what scale notes sound good over those chords... this will help in songwriting and soloing
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Yeah, but then there are whale sharks. Why can't they just make up their minds? Whale or shark? One or the other.
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I guess its practice and knowing the modes and scales that will be the vehicle to lead me to the sound im singing in my head


Wrong way round, kiddo. Scales are things that can sometimes help you play the sounds you hear in your head / are just making up on the spot. The drive to make a melody is what comes first - the rest is just window-dressing.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:52 AM   #16
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Todays lesson:

Scales can translate to chord progressions. Amirite?
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Um, rough guess:

Scale:

C D E F G A B C

Chord:

C E G B D F A

Progression:

C G D A E B F(#)

But honestly? I'm winging it now. I've just been talking with SlackerBabbath and I'm not entirely sure which way is up any more.
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