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09-20-2012, 05:24 PM	#61
Kensai 49ers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Francisco	Yeah obviously. I think these kind of reactions have gotten exponentially more common since 2008, though. Expect more of this kind of childishness in the future, especially if Obama wins. __________________ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████ ████████████████████████████

09-20-2012, 05:37 PM

#62

Gibson_SG_uzr55

The lotus blooms twice

Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: Grand Valley State University, Michigan

There is this picture that was going around of this admin of a Tea Party page saying if Obama wins he will close his business and go on any welfare program he can

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Originally Posted by beadhangingOne

What happened to Snake?

Snake?

Snake?

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE?!

09-20-2012, 05:50 PM

#63

Mark Roxx

Feels

Join Date: Mar 2009

Location: Feelville

Vermin Supreme ftw

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Originally Posted by Philip_pepper

What if...what if the Pit is kind of like a real pit? And that...we can never escape until we get a life?

And once you are out of the Pit, you...never fall back in.

09-20-2012, 05:50 PM

#64

daytripper75

5000 candles in the wind

Join Date: Jun 2003

Location: Pawnee

Quote:

Summary of the Green New Deal

The Green New Deal is a four part program for moving America quickly out of crisis into a secure, sustainable future. Inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s, the Green New Deal will provide similar relief and create an economy that makes our communities sustainable, healthy and just.

THE FOUR PILLARS OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL

I - THE ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS

Our country cannot truly move forward until the roots of inequality are pulled up, and the seeds of a new, healthier economy are planted. Thus, the Green New Deal begins with an Economic Bill of Rights that ensures all citizens:

1. The right to employment through a Full Employment Program that will create 25 million jobs by implementing a nationally funded, but locally controlled direct employment initiative replacing unemployment offices with local employment offices offering public sector jobs which are “stored” in job banks in order to take up any slack in private sector employment.

• Local communities will use a process of broad stakeholder input and democratic decisionmaking to fairly implement these programs.

• Pay-to-play prohibitions will ensure that campaign contributions or lobbying favors do not impact decision-making.

• We will end unemployment in America once and for all by guaranteeing a job at a living wage for every American willing and able to work.

2. Worker’s rights including the right to a living wage, to a safe workplace, to fair trade, and to organize a union at work without fear of firing or reprisal.

3. The right to quality health care which will be achieved through a single-payer Medicare-for-All program.

4. The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education.

5. The right to decent affordable housing, including an immediate halt to all foreclosures and evictions. We will:

• create a federal bank with local branches to take over homes with distressed mortgages and either restructure the mortgages to affordable levels, or if the occupants cannot afford a mortgage, rent homes to the occupants;

• expand rental and home ownership assistance;

• create ample public housing; and,

• offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

6. The right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

7. The right to fair taxation that’s distributed in proportion to ability to pay. In addition, corporate tax subsidies will be made transparent by detailing them in public budgets where they can be scrutinized, not hidden as tax breaks.

II - A GREEN TRANSITION

The second priority of the Green New Deal is a Green Transition Program that will convert the old, gray economy into a new, sustainable economy that is environmentally sound, economically viable and socially responsible. We will:

1. Invest in green business by providing grants and low-interest loans to grow green businesses and cooperatives, with an emphasis on small, locally-based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors.

2. Prioritize green research by redirecting research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and geothermal. We will invest in research in sustainable, nontoxic materials, closed-loop cycles that eliminate waste and pollution, as well as organic agriculture, permaculture, and sustainable forestry.

3. Provide green jobs by enacting the Full Employment Program which will directly provide 16 million jobs in sustainable energy and energy efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and “complete streets” that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture, and clean manufacturing.

III - REAL FINANCIAL REFORM

The takeover of our economy by big banks and well-connected financiers has destabilized both our democracy and our economy. It’s time to take Wall Street out of the driver’s seat and to free the truly productive segments of working America to make this economy work for all of us. Real Financial Reform will:

1. Relieve the debt overhang holding back the economy by reducing homeowner and student debt burdens.

2. Democratize monetary policy to bring about public control of the money supply and credit creation. This means we’ll nationalize the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and place them under a Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department.

3. Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail.”

4. End taxpayer-funded bailouts for banks, insurers, and other financial companies. We’ll use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off.

5. Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges.

6. Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks.

7. Establish a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed out bankers.

8. Support the formation of federal, state, and municipal public-owned banks that function as non-profit utilities.

Under the Green New Deal we will start building a financial system that is open, honest, stable, and serves the real economy rather than the phony economy of high finance.

IV - A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY

We won’t get these vital reforms without a fourth and final set of reforms to give us a real, functioning democracy. Just as we are replacing the old economy with a new one, we need a new politics to restore the promise of American democracy. The New Green Deal will:

1. Revoke corporate personhood by amending our Constitution to make clear that corporations are not persons and money is not speech. Those rights belong to living, breathing human beings - not to business entities controlled by the wealthy.

2. Protect our right to vote by supporting Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr.’s proposed “Right to Vote Amendment,” to clarify to the Supreme Court that yes, we do have a constitutional right to vote.

3. Enact the Voter Bill of Rights that will:

• guarantee us a voter-marked paper ballot for all voting;

• require that all votes are counted before election results are released;

• replace partisan oversight of elections with non-partisan election commissions;

• celebrate our democratic aspirations by making Election Day a national holiday;

• bring simplified, safe same-day voter registration to the nation so that no qualified voter is barred from the polls;

• do away with so-called “winner take all” elections in which the “winner” does not have the support of most of the voters, and replace that system with instant runoff voting and proportional representation, systems most advanced countries now use to good effect;

• replace big money control of election campaigns with full public financing and free and equal access to the airwaves;

• guarantee equal access to the ballot and to the debates to all qualified candidates;

• abolish the Electoral College and implement direct election of the President;

• restore the vote to ex-offenders who’ve paid their debt to society; and,

• enact Statehood for the District of Columbia so that those Americans have representation in Congress and full rights to self rule like the rest of us.

4. Protect local democracy and democratic rights by commissioning a thorough review of federal preemption law and its impact on the practice of local democracy in the United States. This review will put at its center the “democracy question” – that is, what level of government is most open to democratic participation and most suited to protecting democratic rights.

5. Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

6. Strengthen media democracy by expanding federal support for locally-owned broadcast media and local print media.

7. Protect our personal liberty and freedoms by:

• repealing the Patriot Act and those parts of the National Defense Authorization Act that violate our civil liberties;

• prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI from conspiring with local police forces to suppress our freedoms of assembly and of speech; and,

• ending the war on immigrants – including the cruel, so-called “secure communities” program.

8. Rein in the military-industrial complex by

• reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;

• restoring the National Guard as the centerpiece of our system of national defense; and,

• creating a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.

Let us not rest until we have pulled our nation back from the brink, and until we have secured the peaceful, just, green future we all deserve.

__________________

Sinéad

I don't mind if I have to sit on the floor at school. All I want is education. And I'm afraid of no one. - Malala Yousafzai

09-20-2012, 06:53 PM	#65
due 07 .-. Join Date: Jun 2006	Obviously Jill Stein is the best candidate, but if you live in a swing state and are liberal, you're still wasting your vote, only it's way worse because you actually had a chance to have your vote count.

09-20-2012, 06:54 PM	#66
lolmnt Earth of the Butt Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: florida	#Swingstate #basedObama #voter right here. __________________ *-) Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin

09-20-2012, 06:57 PM	#67
WCPhils whyphilsfight Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Whatever is inbetween Pennsylvania and South Dakota	I wanna vote for Stein but I feel like a lot of Pennsylvania is stupid so I'll probably help out Obama. Although I would be lying if a little bit of me doesn't just want Romney to win so I can watch the world burn. Last edited by WCPhils : 09-20-2012 at 07:03 PM.

09-20-2012, 06:59 PM	#68
bradulator yep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: pentapussy	Either way your vote is wasted #anarchy __________________ poor + needy

09-20-2012, 07:19 PM	#69
daytripper75 5000 candles in the wind Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pawnee	I'm voting for Stein. I live in Pennsylvania. I don't feel like my vote is a waste. How are third parties ever going to gain momentum if everyone has that attitude? __________________ Sinéad *I don't mind if I have to sit on the floor at school. All I want is education. And I'm afraid of no one. - Malala Yousafzai*

09-20-2012, 07:27 PM	#70
Dreadnought The Man Who Lives Forever Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a land where time don't command	This is me voicing my support for Gary Johnson __________________ I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. Currently working on: Le Voyage pour l'Irlande - Pierre Bensusan

09-20-2012, 07:30 PM	#71
bradulator yep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: pentapussy	This is me voicing my support for either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson because both deserve more of a shot than the others. __________________ poor + needy

09-20-2012, 07:33 PM	#72
willT08 UG's Jewish Seinfeld Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Coventry/Hertford, EDMland	Seriously guys, the whole world is counting on you. Do not ** this election up. For god's sake, just don't. __________________ Siktir Musik** Facebook Twitter Youtube

09-20-2012, 07:36 PM

#73

TunerAddict

Degenerate Halfwit

Join Date: Aug 2008

Location: Bing, bitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCPhils

I wanna vote for Stein but I feel like a lot of Pennsylvania is stupid so I'll probably help out Obama.

Although I would be lying if a little bit of me doesn't just want Romney to win so I can watch the world burn.

My kind of man.

09-20-2012, 07:38 PM

#74

WCPhils

whyphilsfight

Join Date: Sep 2010

Location: Whatever is inbetween Pennsylvania and South Dakota

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunerAddict

My kind of man.

wtf

09-20-2012, 07:43 PM	#75
Nelsean Banned before Judge Trudy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In the zone!	Whats there to talk about. Obama is going to win this shit by a landslide. Romney is just a ploy and a setup to keep Obama in the whitehouse. No one can be as stupid as Romney, his vice president, and McCains ability to pick the worst choice for a vp in decades. Then when Obama is out in the next 4 years, Hilary Clinton will run for president, and she will win. __________________ Without goal setting, you will never have the ability to gauge your progress and evaluate your areas of weakness. The world can be such a terrible place at times, but keep your head up and keep pushing forward.

09-20-2012, 07:45 PM	#76
TunerAddict Degenerate Halfwit Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bing, bitch	I'm really torn. My education tells me that Romney should win. But my gut just says he is such an awful pick he cannot possibly win.

09-20-2012, 08:02 PM	#77
daytripper75 5000 candles in the wind Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pawnee	I actually sent in my application to switch my political affiliation a few days ago. Switched to Green Party. Obviously I know that Jill Stein won't win, or even have a legit chance. I'm still voting for her. I also obviously prefer Obama over Romney, but that doesn't mean he's getting my vote. __________________ Sinéad *I don't mind if I have to sit on the floor at school. All I want is education. And I'm afraid of no one. - Malala Yousafzai*

09-20-2012, 08:05 PM

#78

due 07

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytripper75

I'm voting for Stein. I live in Pennsylvania.

I don't feel like my vote is a waste. How are third parties ever going to gain momentum if everyone has that attitude?

They never will gain momentum because the two-party system is deeply entrenched into the structure of American society and the people who wish to preserve it most are the most powerful people in the country and own the political system.

09-20-2012, 08:07 PM	#79
willT08 UG's Jewish Seinfeld Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Coventry/Hertford, EDMland	Which are actually the swing states? I can't be bothered to google that shit. Watching some guy from Lancaster get demolished in a rap battle. __________________ Siktir Musik Facebook Twitter Youtube

09-20-2012, 08:16 PM

#80

TunerAddict

Degenerate Halfwit

Join Date: Aug 2008

Location: Bing, bitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by due 07

I'd put a bit more credence into First-past-the-post voting being the reason for the American two-party system.

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