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ASPERGER'S disorder has been removed from the major psychiatric manual
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Has anyone in the pit been diagnosed with the disorder? If so, how will this affect you, if et al? |
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12-03-2012, 01:33 AM
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The DSM is mostly utter arse. I mean sadly it's the kind of utter arse that employers and legislators get to use, but it's hopeless.
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12-03-2012, 01:34 AM
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hahaha
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12-03-2012, 01:37 AM
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12-03-2012, 01:38 AM
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I say As-per-jess
Not Ass-Burgers, like South Park would have you say. |
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12-03-2012, 01:39 AM
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Um...actually, most psychiatrists consider the DSM-IV a very reliable source. So, as the son of psychiatrist, I really don't know what the hell you're talking about.  Edit: Although, the idiot they quoted doesn't know what he's talking about (not that most non-psychiatrists/psychologists/other mental health workers do in regards to mental health issues). The fact that Asperger's is being classified under Autistic disorders doesn't mean that the "label" or the disorder or whatever "goes away" in medical use. It just means that psychiatry, as a whole, has decided that it is a form of autism. It won't affect anything beyond that, realistically.
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12-03-2012, 01:43 AM
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12-03-2012, 01:43 AM
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I thought that after Rosenhan the concept of providing a check-list of symptoms by which you can diagnose psychiatric disorders had been considered to be naive?
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12-03-2012, 01:43 AM
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They should get rid of all classifiers and just call them ******s like in the old days.
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12-03-2012, 01:48 AM
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Of course it is, but it's still a useful source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV#DSM-IV_.281994.29 Quote:
So, still useful in a broad sense, as the above quote demonstrates. Quote:
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12-03-2012, 01:52 AM
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Oh okay. I only know this from a friend I have who's studying psychiatry. He was saying that in one of his placement things he got fed up with the psychiatrist he was placed with who would just diagnose based on this list and description of symptoms. Was quite probably an anomaly. In a broad sense it could obviously help; I was merely disconcerted by the notion of using it as a guideline to diagnosing serious psychological conditions. The fact that it has moved Asperger's onto the autistic spectrum though is troubling, as it proves rights many of the critics of the DSM who point to the fact that it seems quite detached from the scientific basis of psychology.
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12-03-2012, 01:54 AM
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12-03-2012, 01:58 AM
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Well...if that doctor was doing that, then I would venture to call him a very bad psychiatrist. They've not done that since they figured out that electro-shock treatment could be just as harmful to the brain as helpful. Quote:
The DSM is mainly psychiatric. Psychiatry examines the chemicals in the brain (and the reactions of said chemicals with the brain). Frankly, psychiatry is a more pure science, while psychology is a form of social science. Psychologists can whine all they want, but psychiatry should (and does) determine the final say on matters of mental health.
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12-03-2012, 02:01 AM
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My mother is a school social worker. She works with many Autistic children, and we've discussed this change to the DSM before. From what I remember, it sounds like the change will lump the Asperger's kids into the Autistic spectrum. Also, the next DSM will have some really big changes to alcoholism.
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12-03-2012, 02:04 AM
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No it doesn't. How does it 1. give label to certain diagnosis under larger umbrella of "pervasive developmental disorders" 2. research builds to support it being a milder form of autism 3. the diagnosis is merged with autism that sounds pretty scientific to me, no?
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12-03-2012, 02:05 AM
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Actually, Asperger's is already 'lumped' into the autism spectrum. Knee jerking errywhur |
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12-03-2012, 02:09 AM
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It seems a rather arbitrary class of illness, autism, and given that Asperger's doesn't even display many of the traits associated with autism or have a great deal in relation neurologically it seems rather peculiar to merge them. I guess most of all it just seems pointless; there's no need to merge them.
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12-03-2012, 02:12 AM
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In the last open draft, the update also completely revamped personality disorders, in order to try to get rid of the subjective and biased nature of how they're diagnosed. Can't guarantee that made the final cut though. But I know it's been in the news this week that gender identity disorder has been.... renamed.
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12-03-2012, 02:12 AM
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lol did your dad tell you all that too? |
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12-03-2012, 02:18 AM
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The hell is "seems"? Do you "know" that through your friend too? Cause it's also bullshit that they're not related. Complete and utter bunk. The single thing at heart in both of them is a sheer inability to relate to others in meaningful ways. The difference seems to be in the functioning of the individual, from possible MR-level IQ (severe autism) to actually quite high functioning except for hating personal contact so much even eye contact physically hurts (Asperger's). If we didn't have the last 15 years of work supporting a continuum of all the pervasive developmental disorders, this proposed revision would never have happened, let alone passed. The "need" to merge them comes from the world of funding, and from coming up with a more accurate description of the disorder so that no one is misdiagnosed or missed entirely. tl;dr,  because we don't work in "seems" where I come from.
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