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Old 09-19-2012, 10:38 AM   #1
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500-600; Getting that smooth / singing higain lead sound

I recently discovered how awesome machinae supremacy actually are and I totally fell in love with their sound. I've only got a tonelab st, which I find cool for clean / crunchy / rock sounds, but it's totally unusable for me in any metal context.
It's just so fuzzy.. Hard to describe, it's not just general noise, the guitar tone is so "rough" ("dry"? "digital"?) to a degree where I actually start getting headaches and it's really not all that much fun to use in that way. The only time where I managed to get a good metal rhythm tone involved a lot of tricks and the "accoustic" effect
Besides that, most of the effects are pretty meh

Anyway, so I'm looking for a (headphone) amp-/modeller (software like guitar rig is fine too, as long as there's no lag. Actually, i'd prefer a software-based solution, or a modeller with a software interface) that gives me something close to machinae supremacy's lead. If necessary, I'd also get new pickups for my epiphone LP

Examples of what I'm looking for (sorry, no YT links for actual songs, don't want to get in trouble for spreading copyrighted stuff):

machinae supremacy - dark city
http://open.spotify.com/track/6oTe6oj7b2DuCr4MoDAoty
The first few seconds where the melody starts. The first time I heard this I actually thought it was a guitar-synth.
This is exactly what i'd like to get. Ever since I heard that I realised that I need a new amp, there's just no way I could even get something close to this on my tonelab


Not aggressive enough for me, but then I guess he's playing with the neck pickup

I'm a noob when it comes to stuff like this, so I'd appreciate any input

Personally, i've been looking at the POD HD500. I've read that alot of the "smoothness" / "tightness" or just general awesomeness comes from recording the track multiple times with slightly different amp settings. Since the HD500 can simulate two amps at the same time I was hoping that I'd get close to that. But then I keep hearing that all modellers are bad at high gain tones and the pod hd appears to be particularly bad over headphones

Anyway, machinae supremacy themselves seem to be using a software based solution called podfarm, but from what I could gather that is be pretty old and outdated technology

Budget is 500 - 600 (~750$)

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Old 09-19-2012, 10:44 AM   #2
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I have not enough experience with headphone amp(modellers) to recommend one, but I can definately say that you do not need new pickups for several reasons:

-Pickups are a relatively small part of your sound compared to an amp
-Epiphones stock pickups are okay stock
-Pickups matter even less in a modelling amp then in a tube amp because the dynamics are all faked in a modeller, this has the benefit that some software/modellers make your humbuckers sound like singlecoils an so on.
-pickups are not cheap and the money is better spend on a higher quality amp/modeller, its like the last finishing touch when everything else is right already.

Also: we need a budget you are looking for, and I want to state that modelling amps are getting very very good these days but it will always sound more sterile / digital in comparison to a real tube amp, so that might be your problem.

Good luck!
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:08 AM   #3
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I have not enough experience with headphone amp(modellers) to recommend one, but I can definately say that you do not need new pickups for several reasons:

-Pickups are a relatively small part of your sound compared to an amp
-Epiphones stock pickups are okay stock
-Pickups matter even less in a modelling amp then in a tube amp because the dynamics are all faked in a modeller, this has the benefit that some software/modellers make your humbuckers sound like singlecoils an so on.
-pickups are not cheap and the money is better spend on a higher quality amp/modeller, its like the last finishing touch when everything else is right already.

Also: we need a budget you are looking for, and I want to state that modelling amps are getting very very good these days but it will always sound more sterile / digital in comparison to a real tube amp, so that might be your problem.

Good luck!


Phew, glad I don't have to replace pickups then, would've probably just screwed up the electronics. Anyway, true, I wish I could play through a normal amp without headphones, but that's currently just not possible where I live, so I figured i might just aswell get a modeller

Oh and yeah, only had the budget in the thread's title, gonna edit it into my post so it's easier to see, thanks

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Old 09-19-2012, 11:44 AM   #4
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Sorry I missed the budget in the title...

I am by no means an expert in modelling amps but I heared the line 6 pod 500 and pro are really decent.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:38 PM   #5
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Anyway, machinae supremacy themselves seem to be using a software based solution called podfarm, but from what I could gather that is be pretty old and outdated technology



What you need is a decent audio interface. PODFARM is simply software, like many other products out there.

With an audio interface you can use podfarm or whatever other software you choose. Plenty of stuff to choose from out there......
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