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Old 09-25-2012, 03:03 AM   #21
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I've got a problem with people claiming the old bands were the only real metal bands and that anything new or different sucks.

I like plenty of "old" bands, though I'm not a NWOBHM fan, but what people often seem to forget is that those bands were the beginnings. Newer bands are blurring the lines between metal and other genres, and that's a damn good thing. Refusing to call a band metal just because they don't follow the cookie-cutter outline of the old bands is ******ed.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:01 AM   #22
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I will never get tired of the old bands.

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Old 09-25-2012, 11:42 AM   #23
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I'm more of the opposite. I really tend to dislike this whole overproduction:everything needs to be perfect-attitude alot of bands carry nowadays, like Testament did with DROE. A shame really, especially because of the raw metal that is (or used to be) thrash. It all sounds too polished and slick for my taste.

Then again that has more to do with music production in general, but still, I pity it.

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Old 09-25-2012, 12:01 PM   #24
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I'm with Corey on this one. If you only ever listen to bands that follow the blueprint of old bands, then you're contributing to the stagnation of the genre. That, and you're losing out on the spirit that made revolutionary bands so exciting. That's not to say that any given era of music is inherently superior - good bands are good bands. Seniority has nothing to do with it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:32 PM   #25
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I think "old bands" is misleading, because in a certain light the old bands were "new bands" when first revolutionized the scene. Many of these "new bands" haven't revolutionized anything, but merely reiterated or even degraded what the original bands initially laid out.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:51 PM   #26
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:56 PM   #27
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I think "old bands" is misleading, because in a certain light the old bands were "new bands" when first revolutionized the scene. Many of these "new bands" haven't revolutionized anything, but merely reiterated or even degraded what the original bands initially laid out.

Fair point, which is why I feel it's important to distinguish forward thinking (not necessarily progressive, mind you) from bands that are more tradition bound as well as by the quality of their output as opposed to merely sticking them in an age bracket and calling it a day.

For example, if I heard a young band today that sounded like NSV-era Cryptopsy, I'd be impressed, but I'd be more impressed if they could take that sound and make it their own rather and merely pay homage rather than become a carbon copy.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:11 PM   #28
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:10 PM   #29
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You say that, but I know people who ONLY listen to entry level Metal/Metalcore.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:04 AM   #30
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You say that, but I know people who ONLY listen to entry level Metal/Metalcore.

I can respect that when people actually try to branch out, but being closeminded about music is so alien to me. It's so weird to me to think about listening exclusively to one style of music when there are so many out there to pick and choose from.
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I'm with Corey on this one. If you only ever listen to bands that follow the blueprint of old bands, then you're contributing to the stagnation of the genre. That, and you're losing out on the spirit that made revolutionary bands so exciting. That's not to say that any given era of music is inherently superior - good bands are good bands. Seniority has nothing to do with it.

In their defense, there are so many awesome revivalist bands these days. They may not be recapturing the revolutionary aspect of it, but they're definitely recapturing something that a lot of the modern bands were missing.

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Simply stating examples. Not trying to gloat.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:28 AM   #32
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In their defense, there are so many awesome revivalist bands these days. They may not be recapturing the revolutionary aspect of it, but they're definitely recapturing something that a lot of the modern bands were missing.

Agreed on that as well - that's why I think that artists should be judged on the quality of their output as well as originality of thought.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #33
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I hardly listen to any metal before the mid 90s, and I couldn't care less. I've spent 7 odd years going from genre to genre trying to absorb as much as I can, and even though I've missed thousands and thousands of bands, I've still heard enough to be rather confident when I say that old METAL sucks pretty hard. I can respect the "pioneer" argument completely, I can respect the "they pushed boundaries so we don't have to" argument, but at the end of the day, I can't think of a single metal band pre-1996 that I would class as anything other than adequate.

When I'm left with Devin Townsend's career, Genghis Tron, anything Vladimir Cochet has done (Mirrorthrone, Weeping Birth, etc), Between the Buried and Me, Destroy Erase Improve-era Meshuggah (and onwards), The Ocean, SikTh, uneXpecT, The Black Dahlia Murder, Shadow of the Colossus, and yes, even the BETTER bands of the deathcore and djent scene like Periphery, Corelia, Ascariasis, TesseracT, Fallujah, The Red Chord....

It's all opinions, everyone gets to like whatever they want, but in the metal scene overall, I've always felt at a loss as to why the "older" bands are still revered so highly (apart from the pioneer thing).

edit: And this doesn't even cover the hardcore scene, which is producing some of my favourite music of all time. Verse, Defeater, La Dispute, Shipwreck A.D., Carpathian, Converge, The Carrier... All a thousand times more interesting than most older metal I've ever heard. And then there's Zappa....
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:34 AM   #34
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:48 AM   #35
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It's all opinions, everyone gets to like whatever they want, but in the metal scene overall, I've always felt at a loss as to why the "older" bands are still revered so highly (apart from the pioneer thing).
You said it yourself. They're revered so highly because a lot of people's opinions differ from your's. Simple as. I don't know which "side" is more popular on this in reality, but it seems the old schooler's are more vocal about their view. Or then maybe I've just been subjected to this view more frequently.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #36
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I've been of the opinion for many years that death metal is like Tinkerbell, and if all the old school metal fans stop saying Trey "I still wear studded leather pants and sneakers" Azagthoth is a revolutionary genius, the entire genre will die.


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Old 09-26-2012, 12:33 PM   #37
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #38
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #39
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I like music that tickles my fancy
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Anyways dumb thread.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:28 AM   #40
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Never get tired of them These are Gods and always will be, even when the world will die after 1000 years, these old bands will remain
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