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Old 09-25-2012, 09:44 AM   #41
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where do you stop with censoring?
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:31 AM   #42
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i hate this sort of thing. people can find something "wrong" with anything if they look hard enough.yet i have red hair and get discriminated against and no one cares.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:46 AM   #43
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They're going after Tintin now?

It's 2012 and Islamist radicals are killing people and burning buildings and we're discussing if fucking TINTIN is racist and bad?

Priorities, people! Priorities!
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:47 AM   #44
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I don't think Hergé was purposely trying to be racist; he was just showing how things were back then.

I'll admit, the panel that you posted is quite questionable, but in Tintin In America, he shows how the stereotypical greedy, white businessman pays the Native Americans only $25 to buy their land. He also portrays the main antagonist of the comic as someone who manipulates said Native Americans into thinking Tintin is their sworn enemy.

I guess Hergé was a bit like Joseph Conrad; racist because of the times, but not failing to show the faults of the white man too.

This. Excellent point.

I would say though that Tintin encourages excessive alcohol consumption. I mean look at Haddock. He always gets into weird, seriously life threatening situations when drunk, but never causes any permanent damage to anyone and so his drinking is only comical.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:48 AM   #45
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #46
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It kind of bothers me that everyone here along with most kids seem to really like him, while I know that he can be a massive asshole at times.




No seriously, banning this would be insane.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #47
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This. Excellent point.

I would say though that Tintin encourages excessive alcohol consumption. I mean look at Haddock. He always gets into weird, seriously life threatening situations when drunk, but never causes any permanent damage to anyone and so his drinking is only comical.


You could also say it perpetuates a negative image of cops... unlike cops today...
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You could also say it perpetuates a negative image of cops... unlike cops today...

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Old 09-25-2012, 11:01 AM   #49
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I thought Tintin was a dog but that's Rin Tin Tin. So I don't know what Tintin is and I don't care.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:07 AM   #50
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I don't really get why the Tintin comics remain so popular. I mean, I've read about half of them and they sure succeeded in creating a nice, adventurous vibe... But the humor was always kind of lame (the only funny character was captain Haddock with his alcoholic ways) and even as a 7 year old I found them pretty damn silly at times

I mean, he was supposed to be a reporter, yet he never seemed to do any reporting. AT ALL. No interviews, no relevant investigative journalism of any kind, no signs of him ever working on a little story or opinion piece... He'd just get into trouble, usually within the first 4 or 5 frames, and then shit just unfolded. At least the Scooby Doo crew drove around in a van looking for shady looking castles or abandoned cabins in the middle of a swamp to spend the night. Tintin couldn't order a sandwich without getting mugged or abducted
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Every 2 to 3 pages he'd escape from the brink of death. Poor fella must've gotten thrown into the ocean about a dozen times throughout the series (at least). He'd have to deal with yetis, tigers, firing squads, cursed Egyptian ruins, cursed Inca ruins, multiple civil uprisings, the Chicago maffia, the Chinese maffia...
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Usually he'd get saved by his dog or just get plain lucky. Like they'd tie him to the rails and at the last minute some crazy lady would pull the emergency break because she saw two squirrels fighting or something, or he'd get blown out of a collapsed cave after accidentally striking oil. Every time he got dropped from a great height he would land in a tree or a previously invisible ledge. ALWAYS. Usually because his belt or suspenders got caught by a branch. He must've spent more time in trees than Michael Jackson
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:12 AM   #54
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Is this racist?

If Tintin is racist, so is Tom Sawyer. The reality is, this kind of literature often highlights racism and negative perceptions of the time. Many of the authors of the time found racism to be abhorrent. So, they brought it up in their books and indirectly presented it as not okay.

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No, but you Swedes go crazy banning shit all the time. I really do wonder if Sweden understands the concept of free speech.
Also, the people in charge of this kind of stuff in Sweden...do they lack critical thinking skills? I think so.

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And on topic, They changed their decision as of today

Good! Someone must have told them what fucktards they were being...
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:14 AM   #55
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Usually he'd get saved by his dog or just get plain lucky. Like they'd tie him to the rails and at the last minute some crazy lady would pull the emergency break because she saw two squirrels fighting or something, or he'd get blown out of a collapsed cave after accidentally striking oil. Every time he got dropped from a great height he would land in a tree or a previously invisible ledge. ALWAYS. Usually because his belt or suspenders got caught by a branch. He must've spent more time in trees than Michael Jackson


It is a comic book...
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:22 AM   #56
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It is a comic book...
Yeah but even then there are limits to how many houdini-like escapes you can get away with. I guess it has to do with the fact that most of the books were episodic -> the guy would hand in 2 new pages every month, and just to keep everyone wanting for more he'd end with a cliffhanger
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And then, yes, there was the subliminal racism (although not all that subliminal if you read the book with the african midget tribe or the one with the big nosed jew accountant villain which was apparently released during WWII). I'll admit, the author did seem to redeem himself after a while but even in the later comics the massive stereotyping was still all over the place. Like instead of having Tintin visit some arab country where the entire population was made up of short tempered camel-riding nomads, he would just made up some fictional place

But the result was always the same: ill tempered, corrupt police and/or military officers with big moustaches would throw him into jail for no apparent reason, other than them being pricks
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It's probably best to remove it from a youth library, but adult literature? Hell no. What a Swedish thing to do.
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Yeah but even then there are limits to how many houdini-like escapes you can get away with.

In comic books, you can do as many Houdini-like escapes as you want, provided everyone keeps reading it. Now, stop taking it so seriously.

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It's probably best to remove it from a youth library, but adult literature? Hell no. What a Swedish thing to do.

Wasn't Sweden the country that decided having to examine whether it removed "sexual tension", if they separated male and female students in elementary school? (As if 5 year-olds get the concept of "sexual tension".) Iirc, they even tried it out in one elementary school and got "inconclusive results"...

My point is, Sweden does a lot of ridiculous things*.

*On the flipside, my country, the US, does a lot of ridiculous things too.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:35 AM   #60
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No, but you Swedes go crazy banning shit all the time. I really do wonder if Sweden understands the concept of free speech.
Also, the people in charge of this kind of stuff in Sweden...do they lack critical thinking skills? I think so.

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In comic books, you can do as many Houdini-like escapes as you want, provided everyone keeps reading it. Now, stop taking it so seriously.

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Library of Sweden: STOP TAKING THINGS SO SERIOUSLY. Although, you may want to start taking freedom of speech more seriously.


Wasn't Sweden the country that decided having to examine whether it removed "sexual tension", if they separated male and female students in elementary school? (As if 5 year-olds get the concept of "sexual tension".) Iirc, they even tried it out in one elementary school and got "inconclusive results"...

My point is, Sweden does a lot of ridiculous things*.

*On the flipside, my country, the US, does a lot of ridiculous things too.

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It's one libraraian in one case with one book you crazy yank. The guy changed his mind after people telling him how stupid he was.
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