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holy ****

you realize that "context babble" is significantly more useful than any of the diarrhea you're spewing forth into this thread, because randomly naming scales (especially when you say that b-c-d-e-f-g-a-b is a diminished scale) provides absolutely nothing of value

why do you keep referring to this as "b dim", since you're still wrong

news flash: there's no "diminished note of the scale"

yes there's a diminished triad built from it, but the note itself isn't diminished and all this stupid shit you're saying about "b dim" is comical

it's not naturally going to "have a darker tone", because if you think that a b played over a g major chord is going to sound the same as a b played over a Bm7b5 simply because "it's the diminished note", you're incapable of being further from the truth

news flash 2: the reason for this is the "context babble" you are so adamantly ignoring

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The only "scales" that you should learn are the following:

Major Scale (and Major Pentatonic. It's also where all keys/scales are derived from)
Minor Scale (and Minor Pentatonic)
Harmonic Minor (Minor with a Major 7th instead of a Minor 7th interval)

Every other "scale" that you come across will be based off of the above ones with different accidentals. Most of the MT regulars will tell you think in keys (and accidentals) as opposed to scales. I would suggest just learning the basic on why/how it sounds good, then begin to think in keys.

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metalmetalhead

I play by ear and from the sounds of it B in relation to C has a diminished sound to it, But ONLY IN CONTEXT. In context each sound is unique in relation to the other.

what does diminished mean anyway? to distort?

Just cause your music teacher doesn't agree, doesn't mean I have to. hell I'm in it for the music and joy of playing anyway. Im aloud to think outside of the box

unorthodox It might seem but its really all the same except I dont worry about that dumb shit you call important. Infact just save it for the ones that are asking those kind of questions.

The B diminished scale has the same notes as C major.

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reiterating for emphasis:


the sound of a b in relation to c what? a c major chord? the note c? again, context is important, as you said, so just saying "b in relation to c has a diminished sound" is not only vague, but completely incorrect

i happen to have a very good ear as well, but i also have the advantage of knowing what i'm talking about rather than insisting i'm correct because i've convinced myself my approach to music is "thinking outside the box" rather than a fallacious distortion of everything that is correct tailored to suit my own ego

i'd like to take a moment here to point out that you're arguing about certain things "being diminished" or "being the diminished note in a scale" and afterward asking for the definition of the very term that's at the crux of your bullshit

how's that work exactly

what music teacher? there's right and there's wrong. you happen to be the latter.

again, "in it for the joy of playing" is another thing you're telling yourself in an attempt to backtrack and refuse to admit that everything you're vomiting forth here is incorrect and completely misinformed - having fun and being correct are not mutually exclusive, you should try both sometime

the only "dumb shit" you're concerned about is, well, absolutely everything you're saying

it's not "all the same", because i can hear something the same way as you and actually know what it is

once again you have no idea what you're talking about, and you need to stop being insistent on this subject

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Xiaoxi

Which one?

B half-whole:
B, C, D, Eb, F, Gb, Ab, A

B whole-half:
B, C#, D, E, F, G, Ab, Bb


hint: you're wrong either way

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Macabre_Turtle

Oh God, if I ran a music forum, this kind of crap would get people banned.

macashmack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octatonic_scale

I know wikapedia is not the best source all the time, but i think it works here.
Metalhead, i think that (BEFORE ANYONE TRIES TO CUT MY THROAT OUT AND MAKE ME FEEL BAD ABOUT MYSELF, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT I KNOW WHAT I AM ABOUT TO TALK ABOTU IS A LITTLE MOOT, BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO CLEAR THE AIR) you're getting it confused with the modern Locrian mode, which has the same notes in B and C major does.
However (TO THE TS), the modes don't really matter, i think that your best bet for getting sounds that you want is to stop thinking it terms of scales. Start singing solfeggi and getting an ear for chords and then you can write based purely off sound and not have to worry about anything else

Edit: PLEASE DON'T MURDER ME FOR THIS

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Modes and scales are intelligent and useful. Start learning them. Seriously.

Hail

i can't tell if i was smart and stayed out of this thread or if i said something so dumb it got deleted

this is becoming a bit of a trend

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YOU WERE SMART!!!

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..and it got deleted....judging by this thread!

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Duh. That was dumb. Oh well.... it'll get....deleted...? Or....NOT..?

<<cue spooky music and fade to black>>

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Honestly its threads like this that make me feel comfortable with not knowing modes, but posting enough stuff in MT and bandleading to not get me banned for all my shit in the pit.

Life's good.

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the spooky music is played with a b diminished scale, evil twin to c major

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chronowarp

are you high bro?

diminished in the most basic sense refers to symmetrical minor thirds.

the "diminished scale" HW/WH is not...even close to Cmajor.

The diminished scale is two dim7's a whole step away from each...there isn't even a dim7 in the major scale.

B C# D E F G Ab Bb
C D E F G A B C

one of these things is not liek the other.

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metalmetalhead

oh I thought they were the same my mistake.

never the less 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 1, still have the diminished qualities the b3 and b5. so next to locran what diatonic scale would that be?

b5 is known as a diminished 5th isnt it? because it was perfect, the 4th becomes augmented. I mistaking said diminished note. your right theres no such thing

I played a piano and the temperament is based around the C major scale..so tell me why B Minor has such a darker tone while playing in context of C major or Amin. But ya know it took my ears a few years aswell so don't beat yourself up if you cant tell the difference

I dont think this is as near as a big deal to me as it is to you. I apologize for offending any of you.

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AlanHB

If by "context" you mean "key", you would be employing C# and F# accidentals in addition to the C major or A minor scales by virtue of using the notes of the B minor scale in one of those two keys. Depending on the key the accidentals will function differently. Whether is sounds "dark" or not is up to you.

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