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Old 09-24-2012, 07:31 AM   #1
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A bit of vintage guitar help.

I'm looking to buy a new guitar, a Fender Mustang to be exact.
I don't really want to buy one of the new models so I'm looking to buying an all original made in america 60's or 70's model.
Now I don't know much about older guitars so are there certain years Fender wise I should try to avoid when it comes to their guitars?
I've got my eye on a 72' and a 74', not quite sure what the differences may be and whether they'll be worth it or noticeably better to play than newer models.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:43 AM   #2
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how a guitar plays is dependent on how it is set up and how it has been cared for over it's lifetime.

what it's made of; in terms of quality of woods, electronics and parts is determined by it's year of manufacture.

some people will say that the 70's weren't the best years for fender however the early 70s tele's get a lot of love.

it really comes down to you playing it to see if it works for you.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:29 AM   #3
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What's the different between say a 72' mustang and a 65'?
There's a 65' I found that I like but it is like $500 more expensive.. is it purely because it's 7years older or is it because it would have been made better with better components in 65' than 72'?
Also would these things sound better than reissues?
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:34 AM   #4
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Some people say that after Fender was bought by CBS in 1965 (?) the quality of their guitars went down for a few years. Might just be a matter of opinion though.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:37 AM   #5
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Ah I see.
Surely a 72' american made mustang > a 1995+ american/japanese made?
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:35 AM   #6
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Ah I see.
Surely a 72' american made mustang > a 1995+ american/japanese made?


Really depends on the specific guitar imo. 70's fenders always seemed kind of hit or miss, some great players and some duds. I really liked the MIJ 69 reissue mustang I played, but it did feel like it would benefit greatly from a new set of pickups/electronics. I would imagine that the 70's mustangs would have better hardware...

At the end of the day, I would just get out there and try to play a few.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:45 AM   #7
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Ah I see.
Surely a 72' american made mustang > a 1995+ american/japanese made?



Yeah I wouldn't necessarily say so, but I wouldn't say that about many guitars at all. As greg and others are getting at, a guitar's quality is reasonably independent of the year it was made, generalizations aside. I haven't played many 70s fenders, so I can't comment on the quality, however, I know that I have seen plenty of people with 70s strats who loved them. I do think they went to using just three bolts to hold in the neck on the 70s fenders, someone correct if I am wrong, but I can't imagine it affects the integrity of the joint that much.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:34 AM   #8
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Hm... I'm very keen on getting a vintage 60's/70s one and just loving it to bits forever but is it worth the extra $500 to get a '65 instead of '72?
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:06 PM   #9
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Maybe look for a '65 that has been refinished or has replacement parts. That would be cheaper than an all original '65

Can't really answer the queston on whether it would be worth it to fork out the extra cash. Value is subjective, what might be a good value for you could be a poor value for another.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:47 PM   #10
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Just hunt down a vintage Japanese copy. If it was made by Ibanez or Matsumoku, it's more likely than not better quality than a Fender from that era. Same goes for Gibsons.

EDIT: Quick check on ebay yielded this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-197...=item5d350b2fc0

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Old 09-24-2012, 01:58 PM   #11
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it's really down to individual guitars and what you feel comfortable paying.

"is it worth it?" is a tough question not knowing what the exact price is. completed listings on the bay can be a good judge of what comparable guitars have sold for.

but is it worth it to you to pay a little extra because of bla bla bla? only you can say.

when you get into guitars that old, it also depends on how they were cared for. a good set up can only do so much. if a neck is twisted because it was left out in the rain for a couple weeks then got soaked in a flooded basement and the frets are rusted and popping out all over the place etc etc. who is to say?
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:26 PM   #12
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If it was level-pegging in terms of condition, I'd take a 60's Fender over a 70's Fender any day of the week, even if the asking price were higher. As others have said, guitar manufacturing went down the pan in the 70's.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:45 PM   #13
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Ah I see.
Surely a 72' american made mustang > a 1995+ american/japanese made?


maybe not. keep in mind that the mustang was a budget guitar back then so the parts and attention they were given weren't as good as a strat or tele. honestly if you get one of the new ones you may find that it is a better guitar as they aren't being treated as a beginner model. as a fender guy i can say that i'd take a late 80s US made strat over a 70s one any day and even much of the 60s. just because they are "vintage" doesn't autoamatically mean "better".
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:50 AM   #14
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How are the 62' reissue Jazzmasters?
I quite like the look of -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-USA-Fe...=item19d5640cfd

I assume build quality for American made Fenders now is alright?
Could get that for around the same price as a 72' mustang.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:21 AM   #15
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:16 PM   #16
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Hm... I'm very keen on getting a vintage 60's/70s one and just loving it to bits forever but is it worth the extra $500 to get a '65 instead of '72?


for collectability: yes. like someone mentioned earlier: Fender was bought by CBS in early '65. technically you'd want a 'Pre-CBS' mustang to maximize collectability (first put in production in '64), but there wasn't much difference with how mustangs were produced until ~'66 (so the vintage guitar geeks say). so getting a '65 mustang should be just like getting a pre-CBS mustang as far as quality and production go.

for playability: well, you have seen on the 'depends on this and that' remarks. they aren't lying, just cuz a fender is from the CBS era doesn't mean it's going to be awesome. that was a long time ago, and people can mess a guitar up pretty good in ~50 years.

good luck with the vintage guitar hunt.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:22 PM   #17
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Thanks for the info.
Any word on the 62' jazzmaster reissues?
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:28 PM   #18
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I'm pretty sure i have heard multiple people say that the new mustang and jag reissues are great. where is adam when you need him?
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Thanks for the info.
Any word on the 62' jazzmaster reissues?


no, haven't played those. i thought about getting one for a bit, but ended up with a tele deluxe (which aren't that good imo).
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:44 PM   #20
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I'm pretty sure i have heard multiple people say that the new mustang and jag reissues are great. where is adam when you need him?


I assume the jazzmaster reissues would be decent too then.
Was doing a bit of reading and a few people were complaining about the floating vibrato though.
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