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Old 09-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #41
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Just in general.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what works and what doesn't, yet I have a feeling most of the people here couldn't play fast & clean if they had a gun to their head.

That's the nature of the internet, though. It'd be a lot more fruitful for the OP, because then he'd know whose advice to take seriously.


Dude! I have mp3s on my profile. Not good enough?

The solo on Oxidation rocks by the way!
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:43 PM   #42
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Ya, it's alright. I wonder how I pulled off that fast lick at the end considering I just full blasted it instead of spending 4 weeks building it up from 10 BPM to 180 BPM.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:50 PM   #43
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Like you said, it was a fast lick.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:06 PM   #44
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Ya, it's alright. I wonder how I pulled off that fast lick at the end considering I just full blasted it instead of spending 4 weeks building it up from 10 BPM to 180 BPM.


if you were to stop using a pick you could play twice as quickly
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:07 PM   #45
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ya it's funny because it was a chicken picking lick so I was using pick + middle finger anyway.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:26 PM   #46
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what about your thumb and pinky

you're not being economical
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:41 PM   #47
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what about your thumb and pinky

you're not being economical

that would require that I drop my pick, which isn't economically, because then i'd have to regrip it.

You can equivalently do everything u can do with PIMA if you do pick + ma + pinky. granted it's not timbrally the same, but it doesn't really matter when you're playing high gain on an electric guitar anyway. You can't really chunk-flicka and get the same attack without a pick anyway.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:43 PM   #48
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that would require that I drop my pick, which isn't economically, because then i'd have to regrip it.

You can equivalently do everything u can do with PIMA if you do pick + ma + pinky. granted it's not timbrally the same, but it doesn't really matter when you're playing high gain on an electric guitar anyway. You can't really chunk-flicka and get the same attack without a pick anyway.


why do you need a pick

you so can, you're just not trying hard enough
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:47 PM   #49
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why do you need a pick

you so can, you're just not trying hard enough


essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:56 PM   #50
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essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.


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Old 09-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #51
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essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.


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Just in general.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what works and what doesn't, yet I have a feeling most of the people here couldn't play fast & clean if they had a gun to their head.

That's the nature of the internet, though. It'd be a lot more fruitful for the OP, because then he'd know whose advice to take seriously.


I can play faster than you.

TS should listen to me and not you.

good argument.

(BTW I can and TS should listen to me cause I'm a baus)
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Old 09-28-2012, 06:48 PM   #52
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WHAT IS THIS THING

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I can play faster than you.

TS should listen to me and not you.

good argument.

(BTW I can and TS should listen to me cause I'm a baus)


He can pull it off, but the timbre of his 'picking' is totally not something I can dig or ever would want to do myself. He executes everything else great, but when he does the fast lines it suffers. Nevertheless, the fact that the he's using the side of his finger exactly like a pick is sort of a moot point, because at point he's essentially using the same technique as if one were to use a pick.. I'm assuming hails troll-criticism was related to i-m-i-m-i-m fast lines like paco de lucia or something, which I've never seen somebody do with success on a high gain electric guitar, and is what I was part of what I was referring to.

Good player though.

Cough up a video of you playing fast...and then we can talk.
The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:38 AM   #54
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WHAT IS THIS THING

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picks are so 2009

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The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.


and from literally every guitar teacher i had back in the day when i didn't play superior instruments like bass

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:13 AM   #55
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the funny thing is that I think we believe the same exact thing, you just chose to cling onto one aside in my entire post and treat it as if that was my entire point.

I didn't say PLAY IT SLOPPY AS SHIT THEN TRY TO CLEAN IT UP WITHOUT LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS. I told the kid he's going to hit a brickwall if he only linearly increases speed, which is true. It's a mental and physical barrier that comes from the nuanced adjustments that need to be made when playing above a certain threshold. If something is ingrained into your muscle memory, then you clearly have learned the mechanics of whatever it is you're trying to do, and you shouldn't be developing bad habits if you occasionally force yourself to attempt and become comfortable at faster speeds.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:21 AM   #56
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That video is way too lo-fi to tell, but half the song he's playing a slap guitar riff (why would he need a pick for that). But whenever he plays a fast single note line you can see his hand in a picking position (thumb + index)...can't particularly tell if he has one with the video quality, but I see him motion like he's grabbing his pick from his mouth multiple times in the vid.
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Cough up a video of you playing fast...and then we can talk.
The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.


>griffs profile
>Evo challenge
>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.
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>griffs profile
>Evo challenge
>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.


But if he played the guitar he would know. Picks change the way the strings sound. And he wouldn't be acting like chomo over there should put his pick down..he should know why guitar players use a pick to begin with.

like someone arguing with Eddie van halen telling him, he should quit using his pick its not economical.

I think its important to learn as many techniques as you can. even if you feel like it will slow you down, after you get the hang of it. its worth it, and you'll be all around a skilled player.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:08 PM   #59
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But if he played the guitar he would know. Picks change the way the strings sound. And he wouldn't be acting like chomo over there should put his pick down..he should know why guitar players use a pick to begin with.
Indeed they do. Not only that, but different pick materials and thicknesses produce much different tonalities. The effect is most pronounced though, when playing acoustics, or electrics clean.

"Hybrid picking" is worth investing some time and effort learning. Listening to Richard Thompson's mastery of the technique would bear that out. (T +I hold the pick, M & R finger pick). Although his Celtic flavored music may not be everybody's cup of tea.

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like someone arguing with Eddie van halen telling him, he should quit using his pick its not economical.
Wazza matta? You don't think the "experts" at UG could teach Eddie a thing or two? That's "cyberblasphemy"!
Who knows, they might even turn him into a megastar!

And believe you me, some of our experts know how to put the "ass", in "blasphemy"..

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Old 09-29-2012, 01:40 PM   #60
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>griffs profile
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>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.

Didn't hear anything fast or tech on your profile, but I did like those short little blues clips. You have good dynamics and articulation.
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