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I'd vote in favor of the tax 52 37.68%
I'd vote against the tax 70 50.72%
I'm not sure 16 11.59%
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:58 AM   #81
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I, personally, (were I of voting age) would vote in favor. The shit is not healthy for you. I love soda, but when you think about it, you're paying taxes for people to be obese. They get medication for their obesity-related health issues from government-funded healthcare programs, which are funded by your tax dollars.

Sure, it puts that burden on the poor, as they are the largest soda-drinking demographic, but they could buy, say, water, and maybe be a little bit healthier for it? They aren't going to die of a lack of soda. If it changes what they spend their money on, great, that's wonderful, they'll be healthier, huzzah. If not, at least they're paying a little more money towards their own medication.

Basically, what ChrisBW said. I wrote that stuff and then read his post, and I don't feel like erasing what I wrote. So, there you have it. Again, I'm a minor, so this wouldn't even really affect me, beyond what little soda I do drink. Economically, it just makes sense to me, not to mention the obvious health benefits of consuming less soda.




There are some very very underserved places I volunteer at with kids, and the quality of water is atrocious in these areas. The government should at least get their act together to provide these areas with decent drinking water, or give them water filters to use.
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:59 AM   #82
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:00 AM   #83
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:04 AM   #84
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Can I just ask - who actually buys thee XXL sugary drinks? And why?
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:08 AM   #85
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Can I just ask - who actually buys thee XXL sugary drinks? And why?

I buy large sized drinks, because I like the taste of said drinks and I am often especially thirsty, so I can't make a drink last as long as others I know. If I get a glass of water at night, I draw a full, large glass, chug it, then draw another and drink over half of it by the time I go to sleep. So if I go to a drive thru, I would plow through a medium in minutes and want more.
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:09 AM   #86
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The only responsibility the government has is to make sure the products are marketed appropriately.

After that it's up to the consumer to decide whether or not they want to get diabetes.
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The point is, no one should try to force (meaning make it illegal) or coerce (meaning tax) you into living a healthy lifestyle.

So do you have a problem with the size and budget of the marketing department for the likes of McD's and Coke? If that isn't coercion, then I don't know what is.
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Why exactly should the government be promoting the health of society? If it's going to do that, shouldn't it be done in a non-intrusive manner, like running PSAs? Besides, can't people educate society on the benefits of good health? Isn't that much better than taxing pop?


Btw, just take a look at cigarettes/chewing tobacco. A few decades back, the US government decided that smoking and chewing tobacco was unhealthy. (Which it is, and research proves this.) However, people still smoke and still chew. It could be argued that by taxing the hell out of tobacco, more people quit. However, it could also be argued that those people were going to quit anyway. Taxing something for health reasons doesn't magically mean that everyone decides to stop doing it (or, in the case of tobacco, new people don't pick up the habit). All you really do is place a burden upon those who are poor but also wish to enjoy whatever unhealthy behavior is in question.


Lol, it can be argued that those people would quit anyway? PSAs and taxing has caused tobacco consumption to drop at lot. For some reference for the chart:
First surgeon general warning about smoking and health: 1966.
By the 70s, every state had their own taxes in addition to the federal tax.
As you are probably aware, these taxes have continued to increase.

Not directly relevant to the graph, but this is important: Higher taxes on cigarettes have a major impact on the amount of teenagers who take up smoking.



Here's another good graph to think about:




As I've said, I don't think a tax is really the best solution. We would almost certainly be better off without such a tax, as any government intervention in anything has unintended consequences, one of which is what this thread is about! Corn subsidies = cheaper HFCS = cheaper soda and more consumption of soda.
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I buy huge, sugary drinks often. I'm also in fantastic shape
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We subsidize corn crops and then tax corn syrup products. That's smart.
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I buy huge, sugary drinks often. I'm also in fantastic shape


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I buy huge, sugary drinks often. I'm also in fantastic shape


A friend of mine and myself both drink a decent amount of soda, but are also in amazing physical shape. We go to the gym all the time, but additionally our metabolisms give us a major leg up over other people when it comes to eating crap food.

The problem is most people don't work out or get any exercise at all.
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A friend of mine and myself both drink a decent amount of soda, but are also in amazing physical shape. We go to the gym all the time, but additionally our metabolisms give us a major leg up over other people when it comes to eating crap food.

The problem is most people don't work out or get any exercise at all.


Let's tax people who don't work out
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Did I say that? I had typed it's another problem that needs to be addressed but I don't know how without involving the government.

But I deleted it. Looks like I should have left that in there.
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Btw, 'PSA' isn't a term I was at all familiar with, Sam, guess it's more of an American dealio.
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