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Old 09-30-2012, 06:08 PM   #1
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Question Any good Jobs and Degrees for Musicians?

I absolutely love guitars, music, and recording. I really do enjoy using programs such as ableton and I enjoy building guitars and cabinets and such (but I hear that is as hard a career as professional music).

I would love to just be a performing musician but I know it isn't easy and can take time to get noticed. I'm just wondering what some good degrees/ majors/ jobs are for people like me.

I would like to have time with whatever I am doing to be able to work on my music.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:09 PM   #2
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:17 PM   #7
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:19 PM   #8
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:35 PM   #9
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:46 PM   #11
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I'm studying music in college right now haha

It's a great time, very engaging and just totally opens your mind to a new form of approaching music. If you've got the time and money, go for it. It's not like you can't study something else after if you want to make your living off something else lol
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:50 PM   #12
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I absolutely love guitars, music, and recording.


So does... every other guitarist. What makes you so special?

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I really do enjoy using programs such as ableton and I enjoy building guitars and cabinets and such (but I hear that is as hard a career as professional music).


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I would love to just be a performing musician but I know it isn't easy and can take time to get noticed.


That's probably not gonna happen. There are about a million guys out there that do what you do way better, especially if you're a guitarist. And there are virtually no jobs as a performing guitarist to begin with.

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I'm just wondering what some good degrees/ majors/ jobs are for people like me.


Realistically, "people like you" the best bet is to forget about doing music for a living and forget about studying it. Since you like recording music, consider a computer science major. There is just as little a job market for recording as there is for performance, but surely there is something in the computer/tech field that is similar enough that it will interest you, and those sorts of jobs are always in high demand as technology continues to progress, and they tend to be well paying.

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I would like to have time with whatever I am doing to be able to work on my music.


With the computer stuff you should have enough time. Plus, as a computer person, you'll probably have access to lots of cool tech stuff, so that could always having a great computer for recording, always having the tools to build amps, etc.

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Old 09-30-2012, 07:18 PM   #13
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So does... every other guitarist. What makes you so special?


Most 'special' people you're talking about don't bow to the discouragement everyone heaps on them. It seems that the culture of 'can't' is rather used by people to justify their own failings by mythologizing talent as rare, innate and genetic, when in fact it can be cultivated by anyone who is intelligent enough, motivated enough and who's circumstances allow for 'deliberate practice'...

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"People believe that because expert performance is qualitatively different from normal performance the expert performer must be endowed with characteristics qualitatively different from those of normal adults." "We agree that expert performance is qualitatively different from normal performance and even that expert performers have characteristics and abilities that are qualitatively different from or at least outside the range of those of normal adults. However, we deny that these differences are immutable, that is, due to innate talent. Only a few exceptions, most notably height, are genetically prescribed. Instead, we argue that the differences between expert performers and normal adults reflect a life-long period of deliberate effort to improve performance in a specific domain."

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Old 09-30-2012, 07:21 PM   #14
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Most 'special' people you're talking about don't bow to the discouragement everyone heaps on them. It seems that the culture of 'can't' is rather used by people to justify their own failings by mythologizing talent as rare, innate and genetic, when in fact it can be cultivated by anyone who is intelligent enough, motivated enough and who's circumstances allow for 'deliberate practice'...


I... whenever I read one of you posts... I feel like... wow, somebody failed you somewhere. Like, it's genuinely depressing to read your posts. Like... I don't know.
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I... whenever I read one of you posts... I feel like... wow, somebody failed you somewhere. Like, it's genuinely depressing to read your posts. Like... I don't know.


It's depressing to know I feel exactly the same way about your posts.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:25 PM   #16
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It's depressing to know I feel exactly the same way about your posts.


No offense, but are you like... autistic or something? I feel like... you're like if Axelfox knew a bunch of big words. That's how I'd describe you.

I mean, I feel like... I'm genuinely at a loss here.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:29 PM   #17
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No offense, but are you like... autistic or something? I feel like... you're like if Axelfox knew a bunch of big words. That's how I'd describe you.

I mean, I feel like... I'm genuinely at a loss here.


Nope, just checking wiki and I meet none of the diagnostic criteria.

Here's a tip- if you want to throw a (hormonally imbalanced?) hissy-fit whenever I contradict you, feel free to PM me.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:32 PM   #18
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Most 'special' people you're talking about don't bow to the discouragement everyone heaps on them. It seems that the culture of 'can't' is rather used by people to justify their own failings by mythologizing talent as rare, innate and genetic, when in fact it can be cultivated by anyone who is intelligent enough, motivated enough and who's circumstances allow for 'deliberate practice'...

Musical talent = success in that field now? Well, shit. Learn something new every day! -_-

Anyway, my brother's pretty happy at Guitar Center. You could try that.
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To be fair, saying "what makes you so special... probably not going to happen..." is very discouraging. Having realist thinking is good, but it's rather regressive to dismiss his aspirations because of your own presumptions lol

I still think he should give it a shot. Like I said, if he's got the time and money... I honestly wouldnt suggest blowing ten grand a year on a high reputation type of music school though haha. But you put the time and effort into your studies and work, and you will definitely get something out of it. Studying music is only a waste of time if it does not mean much to you, and if you aren't putting much of yourself into it. And like I said, there's always the choice of studying for a degree for a more stable and well paying job after

But I will agree that an actual diploma and degree for music does not mean much. It's the actual education and immersion in music that is important
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