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Old 10-01-2012, 01:50 AM   #1
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g n g sharp?

Alright, Alice n chains right turn contains chords g major and e major...is there a scqle which possess bot g and g sharp or is the sharp used in e major an accidental?....
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #2
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:48 AM   #3
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Alright, Alice n chains right turn contains chords g major and e major...is there a scqle which possess bot g and g sharp or is the sharp used in e major an accidental?....


Find the key, identify out-of-key notes. The scale is x major/minor (same as the key) with xyz accidentals (notes you found out of key).
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:21 AM   #4
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the A flat major scale contains G and A flat, which is the same pitch as G sharp

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Old 10-01-2012, 05:24 AM   #5
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^and is also not contained within an e major chord, thus rendering your response completely irrelevant
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:36 AM   #6
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Try the B Diminished scale
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:46 AM   #7
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E Major Blues Scale E, F#, G, G#, B, C#. The D in the G major chord is added and would an "out of key" note, as its technically b7. But as my Music History prof has indicated, music analysis can be very ambiguous at times.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:08 AM   #8
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or is the sharp used in e major an accidental?....


This.

There are lots of common ways that you can use a non-diatonic chord in a song. You can borrow chords from the parallel minor. You can use a secondary dominant. There are all sorts of other common tricks.

Don't think that it has to mean a key change.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:06 PM   #9
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Let's not be weirded out when the notes in a song don't fit into one diatonic scale. We needn't spend time looking for another scale either.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:50 AM   #10
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Well, I got more than just the answer I was looking for.....
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:59 AM   #11
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Well, I got more than just the answer I was looking for.....

You think? check this out:

modes

Now just sit back and wait for em to come, dex..... its like shooting fish in a barrel
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:55 AM   #12
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:58 PM   #13
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@ 350.....I haven't gotten into modes @ all, or too much theory for that, I'm a lazy player, ill strike a chord or note then play whatever sounds good to me next, its then that I'll go back pin point the notes chords n determine the scale n key, the fish around that for bridges chorus etc.....It wouldn't hurt to sme some formalized lessons...
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:35 AM   #14
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Nah ignore the whole modes thing dex..... I was just trying to incite a flame war... modes are a wank.... next time I have an urge like that, I'll simply sticky-tape breadcrumbs to a window and watch birds batter themselves to death....

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ill strike a chord or note then play whatever sounds good to me next, its then that I'll go back pin point the notes chords n determine the scale n key, the fish around that for bridges chorus etc

thats not a bad way of doing things, you know...not a bad way at all
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:07 AM   #15
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Modes... MODES!!!

Awe man don't do that shit. Now I done gone all super saiyan for nothin.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:37 AM   #16
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This is why scales suck.

Use your ears/common sense to play over the chord change.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:35 PM   #17
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ya scales are pretty shit, you should definitely just wing it in improvisation, and noodle around until you get what you like rather than building a foundation of what notes work with what types of chords ,or sequences of chords.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:07 PM   #19
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you should definitely just wing it in improvisation, and noodle around until you get what you like rather than building a foundation of what notes work with what types of chords ,or sequences of chords...


No you shouldn't

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...rather than building a foundation of what notes work with what types of chords ,or sequences of chords.


That has nothing to do with scales, rather tension + resolution.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:26 PM   #20
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No you shouldn't



That has nothing to do with scales, rather tension + resolution.

man

i really hope you don't teach people, i'd really hate to see how they come out.

"what scale do i use over this C-F-Am-G progression?"
"****ING NOOB SCALES ARE FOR KIDS"
"JUST PLAY NOOTES FOR A WHILE THAT SOUND GOOD, THEN YA, RESOLVE THEM AND STUFF, YA!"

This forum is so **** eyed and backwards it blows my mind sometimes. People here take generalities that may be relevant in specific situations and expand them to encompass their entire musical experience to the point of it being severely detrimental in communicating the simplest concepts to other people.
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