chronowarp

Nah man, you see, that fizz is like fullband distortion that makes the sound almost unworkable an extremely difficult to EQ.

It doesn't matter how shit the inner components of an amp are...it's pushing real air and making an actual sound. I have a piece of shit Epiphone Valve Jr in the shop...when I get it back next week I'll record a clip for you. I bought that amp for like $80 bucks back in 2006.

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ChemicalFire

Yeah but the Valve Juniors aren't terrible amps... they may be cheap and simple. But they're far from awful.

Most people on this forum when they talk about micing cheap amps are talking about Line 6's and Vox modelling amps. They have the fizz issues even worse than the Amp Sims do.

I honestly wouldn't doubt you could get something good from a Valve Jr. Cuz they sound pretty okay as far as cheap amps go.

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chronowarp

its a TERRIBLE amp. And a terrible, cheap amp at that.

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ChemicalFire

Still better than a Spider IV

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chronowarp

mos def. my asshole gurgling is better than a spider IV.

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Kid_Thorazine

Yeah and that's not even getting into problems with shitty mics, shitty mic pres, shitty acoustics and shitty mic placement (though that ones is fairly easy to fix with a little practice)

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FireHawk

I prefer amp sims over real amps and cabs but then again I am in distorted to shit nasty sounding guitars.

I'd still trust an amp sim over a cheap amp if I was looking for a "rock" or "metal" tone. Also people who don't play as well should do amp sims as its easier to fudge their work.

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chronowarp

Really? What are your favorite bands? Do you think they used amp sims on their records?

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chronowarp

ALl of this is negligible compared to the harshness and terribleness you inflict on yourself with amp sims. If you close mic a cab with a sm57 in the sweet spot on the speaker cone...and do some basic placement of the amp itself in a shitty room you've solved most of your problems. And...even if you did none of those things right it'd still sound better.

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Kid_Thorazine

Well first off, that assumes you have an SM-57 or something of similar quality, granted they aren't that expensive, but there are free amp sims out there that are quite serviceable, you haven't heard harshness until you've heard an overdriven guitar recorded with a $30 karaoke microphone. Assuming you have a decent mic, then you have to worry about the amp, as has been pointed out numerous times, even the best possible recording of a shitty amp is still going to sound shitty.

Also, you are vastly underestimating the potential of amp sims, you can get perfectly serviceable tone through some of the better ones, and with the right EQing and effects you can make them sound pretty damn good in a mix.

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chatterbox272

I'm terrible with amp sims and I can still get a better sound through an amp sim than the professional recording engineer up the street from me can if I give him a crappy 8" practice amp. Pretty much this is how I reckon it goes: Crappy Amp Sim < Crappy Amp < Good Amp Sim < Good Amp.

chronowarp

If you can't shell out 70 bucks for a used sm57...then why the **** are you "recording" in the first place??

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Odirunn

Bout time for that thread lock-eroo! Continue the real amp vs sims debate in the recording chat thread if you must!

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FireHawk

As most of my favorite bands are from early 90s no.

But NiN is my favorite band and reznor does use processed guitar. The music I have recently been making though isn't really similar to my favorite bands actually and is t guitar centric at all. I just use it for noise and distortion really. Lately I have been taking off cab sims to get fuzzy noise.

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ChemicalFire

Lot's of Modern Metal(core) bands use amp sims.

They're really not THAT bad, perfectly usable. But I'll still admit a good mic'd amp is still better.

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GaryBillington

Good being the operative word. Personally I've never used an amp sim & never intend to, but I'll still admit that a good sim is going to be better than a crap amp.

Now we just need chronowarp to admit that something crap will always be beaten by something good and this thread can quietly fade away into the background.

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Remember this post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9o...g&feature=g-u-u

Just saying :p

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