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Old 10-03-2012, 12:35 AM   #41
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Mind pointing it out for the rest of us?



More costs for the employer means less incentive to hire someone who takes birth control. But I just read the article and found out it's more about morals and stuff.


Edit: I don't particularly agree with the law that makes birth control mandatory, but there is a passage from the Bible that says to obey the laws of the land. If these employers really know their stuff, they should know that and stop making such a ruckus about it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:40 AM   #42
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Actually I have no problem with this from an initial assessment. A private business should be able to turn down/not support birth control if it's against their beliefs. I think any reasonable/half-way competent business would never even come across this issue.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:48 AM   #43
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Actually I have no problem with this from an initial assessment. A private business should be able to turn down/not support birth control if it's against their beliefs. I think any reasonable/half-way competent business would never even come across this issue.

A business can't be on birth control.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:49 AM   #44
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Actually I have no problem with this from an initial assessment. A private business should be able to turn down/not support birth control if it's against their beliefs. I think any reasonable/half-way competent business would never even come across this issue.

the law essentially forces women to turn over medical records. why should she have to share that information with her employer? specifically information about birth control
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:50 AM   #45
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A business can't be on birth control.

Psh, sure, tell that to Candy on the corner of 3rd and E.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:25 AM   #46
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:56 AM   #47
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I believe an employer should have the right to fire people for no reason at all.
It's a private company is it not?
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:56 AM   #48
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I believe an employer should have the right to fire people for no reason at all.
It's a private company is it not?

the law essentially forces women to turn over medical records. why should she have to share that information with her employer? specifically information about birth control
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:59 AM   #49
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Arizona is the new Georgia. There, I said it.

I wager these people coming up with this shit aren't people who ever stray out of their narrow, ignorant-full comfort zones.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:02 AM   #50
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the law essentially forces women to turn over medical records. why should she have to share that information with her employer? specifically information about birth control


This.

Guys the issue isn't what they can or cannot be fired over, it's the whole, giving their medical records to complete strangers. Like, being forced to. That is monumentally ****ed up, a complete and total breach of privacy.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:04 AM   #52
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I believe an employer should have the right to fire people for no reason at all.
It's a private company is it not?



You're a moron.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:13 AM   #53
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You're a moron.


oh.

Is that all?
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oh.

Is that all?



Probably not. I'm sure we'll see more asinine opinions crop up here and there.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:17 AM   #55
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As an Arizona citizen, I am quite aware we are crazy.

But this article is completely sensationalist. Where is anyone getting that an employer can fire anyone? It's in the title of this article you've linked, but no where in the text of the article.

Let's all put our big boy hats on and do a little research.

First, the bill does not allow an employer to fire anyone over this. Only to deny insurance coverage for any contraception against the employers religious views.

Secondly, this applies to religiously affiliated employers. For example, places that only employ people of a certain faith (churches, etc.), serves people of a certain faith, non-profits.

Thirdly, it actually does not allow the employer to acquire any protected health information (honestly I don't know enough medical records to know what exactly this protects, but it sounds good?).


So there ya'll go. Look a little closer and it isn't so crazy after all.




P.S. I think the bill is stupid, but... it's not a law that applies to anyone and everyone.

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the law essentially forces women to turn over medical records. why should she have to share that information with her employer? specifically information about birth control


I agree that forcing people to turn over medical records to a company is weird and probably not necessary to have a job.

Is the Arizona government forcing every person to turn over their medical records to have a job?

My first post was a reply to the title of the thread.

I still believe it is an employer's right to fire people for no reason whatsoever.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:18 AM   #57
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As an Arizona citizen, I am quite aware we are crazy.

But this article is completely sensationalist. Where is anyone getting that an employer can fire anyone? It's in the title of this article you've linked, but no where in the text of the article.

Let's all put our big boy hats on and do a little research.

First, the bill does not allow an employer to fire anyone over this. Only to deny insurance coverage for any contraception against the employers religious views.

Secondly, this applies to religiously affiliated employers. For example, places that only employ people of a certain faith (churches, etc.), serves people of a certain faith, non-profits.

Thirdly, it actually does not allow the employer to acquire any protected health information (honestly I don't know enough medical records to know what exactly this protects, but it sounds good?).


So there ya'll go. Look a little closer and it isn't so crazy after all.




P.S. I think the bill is stupid, but... it's not a law that applies to anyone and everyone.

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Yeah whatever go back to turning away immigrants and strip searching mexicans for citizenship proof, science boy.
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Probably not. I'm sure we'll see more asinine opinions crop up here and there.


Make sure to keep me informed of what you think.
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Yeah whatever go back to turning away immigrants and strip searching mexicans for citizenship proof, science boy.


According to my conversations with God, this so called "science" you heathens speak of is a centuries long conspiracy to bring down the church.
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I agree that forcing people to turn over medical records to a company is weird and probably not necessary to have a job.

Is the Arizona government forcing every person to turn over their medical records to have a job?

My first post was a reply to the title of the thread.

I still believe it is an employer's right to fire people for no reason whatsoever.


Based on that statement alone...



WTF is the matter with you?
Fire people for no reason?
You are a major fucking ****** and a complete asshole.

Go find another gene pool to pollute.
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